Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Minds, bodies and... Lucky souls??

27 replies

Piccalillipromises · 22/07/2023 12:44

I was pondering why the idea of being "born in the wrong body" is so easily accepted by so many and something occurred to me...

The idea of souls or essences of people being bestowed upon and separate to their bodies is a concept that seems fairly widely accepted without realisation or much thought. From there, it isn't much of a leap to the idea of gendered souls.

For example, children are being told all the time in our school that they are "lucky" to be born in our country. As if it's possible that they could have been born someone else, to other parents, somewhere else. As if who they are and where they are has no connection to their parents or ancestors.

As if they were a soul floating about that just happened to land and be born here and now.

After all, this is what being "lucky" implies; that there were other possibilities!

I've noticed it elsewhere too, this idea that the body you inhabit is an accident of birth, that your psyche is a completely separate thing to your physical self, from various comments I've seen/heard people make here and there

But the more I think about it, the more I think it's actually quite an odd concept. Is it a religious hangover, or maybe an effect of the internet?

Not entirely sure where I'm going with this, but thought it could be interesting to discuss?

OP posts:
Froodwithatowel · 23/07/2023 14:41

Lucky to be born into a country with free health care, running water, no bombs dropping or tanks rolling in the street, free school meals and benefits, yes it's really not a perfect Shangri-La in the UK but I think we are pretty lucky in those ways!

UtopiaPlanitia · 23/07/2023 15:34

Fascinating discussion OP.

I’m an atheist and I understand consciousness to be an emergent property of the human brain. I am my body and my body generates my consciousness as part of its natural functioning, and as a natural result of billions of years of evolution of life on Earth.

And I was raised in Catholicism where we were taught the body and the soul come into being together and exist in unity. No putting of souls into bodies by some metaphysical soul-assigner. 🤷‍♀️

I think this article is quite good at explaining emergence:

“Emergence is a spontaneous, bottom-up, self-organising phenomenon of complexity, with no external cause required, no top-down design and no centralized control of the system.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-purpose/201901/how-could-mind-emerge-mindless-matter

How Could Mind Emerge From Mindless Matter?

Complexity theory and emergence point the way to understanding consciousness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-purpose/201901/how-could-mind-emerge-mindless-matter

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread