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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/07/2023 21:36

He does not do well!

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

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AlisonDonut · 21/07/2023 15:21

Pallisers · 21/07/2023 15:08

I agree. I'm in the US. I've noticed for more than a year that anyone on NPR who has had media training consistently uses "folk". It means they don't have to commit to man or woman and it has a down-home, cosy feel that "people" doesn't have. The number of "pregnant folk" I've heard talked about is astonishing.

Have you watched the Peter Boghossian series on NPR?

It is quite astounding.

CaptainBatEars · 21/07/2023 15:21

I watched the interview in full this morning. Beth was fantastic and really showed up all the waffly nonsense for exactly what it was. I've never watched her before but certainly would again. She got him to admit that there are indeed competing rights, and she made him look an utter fool when quoting back to him the Stonewall position about removing single sex exceptions and Nancy K's statement on lesbians being sexual racists. And that picture of Lia Thomas tells such a clear story. I'm not surprised there's been social media silence from Ian A/Stonewall today. What a disaster for them. I only hope that senior aides at Labour watch that and actually start talking to all stakeholder groups not just TRAs, but I'm not holding my breath.

Madcats · 21/07/2023 15:23

I tried a quick google, with no joy, but what/where is this recent survey that 96% women support trans rights?

TheBiologyStupid · 21/07/2023 15:23

334bu · 21/07/2023 12:39

"This is a joke. Plenty cis women taller than Lia Thomas, who’s stood on a staggered podium. Lia won a college race".

India Willoughby desperately pretending that there are any number of 6ft4 tall women.
Desperation much!

IW should watch Sharron Davies addressing this on Triggernometry.

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2023 15:26

Madcats · 21/07/2023 15:23

I tried a quick google, with no joy, but what/where is this recent survey that 96% women support trans rights?

Strong suspicion it was conducted in Iain Anderson's head.

HPFA · 21/07/2023 15:26

Apparently he should just have explained that females being able to beat other females isn't right either.

https://twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1682382750349684736

https://twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1682382750349684736

HPFA · 21/07/2023 15:28

Madcats · 21/07/2023 15:23

I tried a quick google, with no joy, but what/where is this recent survey that 96% women support trans rights?

What they do is ask a question like "should trans people have rights?" which no one disagrees with and then use that to claim everyone is OK with males in female sports.

WallaceinAnderland · 21/07/2023 15:39

To have a whiny no-mark like IW cast aspersions on her appearance, well fuck that, quite frankly. What has IW ever achieved except having meltdowns on social media and telly.

IW is also currently referring to Kathleen Stock as 'crossdressing' and calling Martina 'Martin-a' such are the vile depths IW will go to. Trashing women's looks on twitter is all IW has left. Screaming incoherently into the void as all these fantastic women live rent free in IW's head, morning, noon and night. Sad, sad individual.

However, I do think that IW and others have been sold a lie by Stonewall and it must be terribly distressing to see it all starting to fall apart. No, you are not a woman and yes, many people have been pretending you are, just to be kind. But the demands have gone too far now so just calm down and listen. As they say, go outside, touch some grass.

I am furious at the damage Stonewall has done, particularly to women and children. All those people who lost their jobs, single sex spaces and sports/awards whilst many of the rest live in fear of losing theirs because of wrongthink. It's time to bring it all out into the open now. If Stonewall stand by everything they've done, let them say so and explain themselves.

southbiscay · 21/07/2023 15:40

I think we have become so used to the general fawning of media interviewers and commentators on trans ("the most vulnerable community") that when someone asks some half decent questions we are falling over ourselves with relief to award an Oscar.

But there were numerous places where Beth really should have been a bit more paxmanesque and simply pressed Anderson for a Yes or No.

Is it reasonable for biological men like Lia Thomas to compete against biological women - yes or no?" And as soon as he started avoiding and waffling coming back to yes or no.

And to pick him up when he tried to imply that by having sex-segregated categories in sport that it means trans-identified people can't compete at all.

But let's hope that this emboldens other journalists and well done to Sky who aren't shying away from this issue like others.

RebelliousCow · 21/07/2023 15:45

WallaceinAnderland · 21/07/2023 15:39

To have a whiny no-mark like IW cast aspersions on her appearance, well fuck that, quite frankly. What has IW ever achieved except having meltdowns on social media and telly.

IW is also currently referring to Kathleen Stock as 'crossdressing' and calling Martina 'Martin-a' such are the vile depths IW will go to. Trashing women's looks on twitter is all IW has left. Screaming incoherently into the void as all these fantastic women live rent free in IW's head, morning, noon and night. Sad, sad individual.

However, I do think that IW and others have been sold a lie by Stonewall and it must be terribly distressing to see it all starting to fall apart. No, you are not a woman and yes, many people have been pretending you are, just to be kind. But the demands have gone too far now so just calm down and listen. As they say, go outside, touch some grass.

I am furious at the damage Stonewall has done, particularly to women and children. All those people who lost their jobs, single sex spaces and sports/awards whilst many of the rest live in fear of losing theirs because of wrongthink. It's time to bring it all out into the open now. If Stonewall stand by everything they've done, let them say so and explain themselves.

Yes, there has been an awful lot of damage done out here; and people having to live with the consequences. To do such drastic things to your body and yet you are still having to fight, continually, against the way you are perceived.
The collapse, or the dawning realisation, that one is not really what one thinks one is, and what one has been encouraged to believe.

Really existential stuff.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/07/2023 15:46

I think Anderson would (wafflingly) identify as non-binary if asked a Yes/No question...

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/07/2023 15:46

HPFA · 21/07/2023 15:26

Apparently he should just have explained that females being able to beat other females isn't right either.

https://twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1682382750349684736

That tweet should come with a health warning. I felt it twist my mind into a knot of confusion, which I took a few moments to undo Confused

NicCageisnotNickCave · 21/07/2023 16:10

RebelliousCow · 21/07/2023 14:39

The letter X avoids the sexism suggested by man and offers greater inclusivity and fluidity to genders beyond the male/female binary, such as for trans women or others who identify as women. Womxn is pronounced the same as woman or women.

https://www.wellandgood.com/folx-meaning/

I think the bit where she said (paraphrasing) ‘If you support women
in their rights to access single sex spaces, why has Stonewall been lobbying to do away with it for the past 8 years’.

He’s obviously out on some sort of funding damage control mission, throwing Nancy Kelly under the bus whilst pretending not to throw her under the bus (‘I wouldn’t use those words’) but not actually disagreeing with anything Nancy or her predecessor have done.

There are a couple of small things I would’ve liked Beth to push harder on but it’s just geeky nitpicking really.

Directly asking him of Stonewall will talk to/work with LGB Alliance was great.

9/10 best TV interviewer performance on the subject so far.

I’d like to see Beth interview someone from GIDS or Mermaids next, please!

Lottapianos · 21/07/2023 16:10

'IW is also currently referring to Kathleen Stock as 'crossdressing'

What the actual blue fuck does 'crossdressing' have to do with wearing t-shirts, trousers, trainers and blazers? Jesus, what an utter muppet

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2023 16:29

However, I do think that IW and others have been sold a lie by Stonewall and it must be terribly distressing to see it all starting to fall apart. No, you are not a woman and yes, many people have been pretending you are, just to be kind. But the demands have gone too far now so just calm down and listen. As they say, go outside, touch some grass.

IW is far from being the sharpest tool in the box. So IW doesn't even realise that attacking Martina and Kathleen makes IW look bad.

But as Helen Joyce says in a wonderful recent interview with Peter Boghossian, it is absolutely essential for the three-letter acronym that we mustn't say that they are validated by other women. It absolutely ruins the pleasure for them if we don't collude in the fantasy. So that's why IW gets upset when people like Martina refuse to pretend.

HPFA · 21/07/2023 16:30

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rogdmum · 21/07/2023 16:51

Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the Stonewall offices today.

RealityFan · 21/07/2023 16:57

rogdmum · 21/07/2023 16:51

Oh to have been a fly on the wall in the Stonewall offices today.

"How do you think that went, Iain?"
"Soooooooo..."

ArabeIIaScott · 21/07/2023 17:00

RealityFan · 21/07/2023 16:57

"How do you think that went, Iain?"
"Soooooooo..."

😁

334bu · 21/07/2023 17:16

"This is how a Gender Critical debate on TV or Radio works. They start out by saying trans women should be banned from X - but in the middle of their argument they switch to Men vs Women with references to biological males. And then at the end, they bring it back to trans women."

Really India?????

LizzieSiddal · 21/07/2023 17:27

They are talking about this interview on R4 now!

Manderleyagain · 21/07/2023 17:28

Evan just talking about this on r4 pm.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/07/2023 17:29

Makes you realise, when someone so senior in Stonewall comes out as an incoherent babbling fool, the rest of them would be the same if faced by the same forensic questions.
Come on journalists - up your game. Start giving all the advocates for sex change (especially for children) the same critical attention.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/07/2023 17:40

Manderleyagain · 21/07/2023 17:28

Evan just talking about this on r4 pm.

Yes, even Evan seems to see the problems - Stonewall will not be happy with PM's coverage of IA's car crash interview with Beth!