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Beth Rigby interviews Iain Anderson

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/07/2023 21:36

He does not do well!

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1682117673277337600?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

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OvaHere · 21/07/2023 19:56

JanesLittleGirl · 21/07/2023 19:30

That statement can be paraphrased as:

"We are very sorry if IA's inept interview gave the impression that Stonewall gives a fuck about women. Please be assured that there is no space or service that we will not fight for men to be included in."

Yep. Spot on interpretation.

Tyntesfield · 21/07/2023 20:01

That statement is magnificent. "Please do not listen to anything said by our Chair of Trustees. He is not in charge. We are."

RealityFan · 21/07/2023 20:08

Tyntesfield · 21/07/2023 20:01

That statement is magnificent. "Please do not listen to anything said by our Chair of Trustees. He is not in charge. We are."

"Genderborg to TERF Island
Genderborg to TERF Island
Genderborg to TERF Island
We have assumed control
We have assumed control
We have assumed control"

RebelliousCow · 21/07/2023 20:36

DworkinWasRight · 21/07/2023 18:48

The “competing rights” stuff and offers to debate - was that an attempt to soften the Stonewall stance, or because he hadn’t been properly briefed?

It's because he found himself in a logical cul de sac and had to admit the truth of it.

thirdfiddle · 21/07/2023 20:37

DuesToTheDirt · 21/07/2023 19:30

Just watched the clip, he doesn't answer the questions at all does he.

Nope. Very political. He'd already decided what he wanted to say. He was going to say it regardless of what he was asked. In a calm, reassuring and authoritative tone.

Put it in transcript and it will sound even more utterly ridiculous.

Baldieheid · 21/07/2023 21:22

RebelliousCow · 21/07/2023 11:54

I noticed he used the american term "trans folk" which seems to have been gathering pace recently. I think it is part of the new communcation strategy to make trans ideology kind of harmless and cuddly.

He's Scottish - we use the word folk a lot up here, in normal conversation about normal people doing normal things.

Eg
I'm going to my folks for the weekend (I'm going to my parents house)

Everyday folks, doing everyday things.

It MIGHT be an adoption of the American phrase by him, but I wouldn't discount it being a perfectly normal word for a Scot to use instead of "people".

I like it in my context, and refuse to allow its association with the rainbow mafia to steal it from me.

snurtifier · 21/07/2023 21:25

"a literal handful of trans women"

I think they mean a metaphorical handful of trans women, no?

allthewaytobeanotown · 21/07/2023 21:58

His facial leakage was something to behold.

Funny how he got really angry and aggressive looking around the point that JK Rowling was mentioned, though, none of the fake smiles and charm at that point.

Imnobody4 · 21/07/2023 22:04

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1682463964163198976?t=9gAU-xRj5aCQteuFoiLgNw&s=19

Apparently there was a longer version with another picture -. Presuming he was asked for this to be cut.
Transwoman breastfeeding is just like 1st woman breastfeeding in parliament.

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1682463964163198976?s=19&t=9gAU-xRj5aCQteuFoiLgNw

Imnobody4 · 21/07/2023 22:11

Just watched the whole thing - the man is a total idiot.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/07/2023 22:13

Boiledbeetle · 21/07/2023 19:07

The fact that's it's taken all day to sort it says it all!

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This! And thanks for the full nonsensicalSW statement, Boiled.

FigRollsAlly · 21/07/2023 22:23

Manderleyagain · 21/07/2023 19:56

This bit sums up their position on single sex spaces. I really wish this could be tested in court properly because I don't believe it. I think they're wrong.

They say the bar for excluding tw from female spaces is very high.

There has to be a very specific set of reasons to exclude trans women from single-sex spaces. Although we dearly wish that no single-sex spaces wished to exclude trans women, trans men or non-binary people, we also recognise that, for the minority of spaces that want to, it is probably not a particularly safe service for those trans people to access.

So their reason for it being legal to exclude tw is not because women need that sometimes but because women who want to do that are nasty bigots who will make tw unsafe anyway.

The lack of empathy shouldn’t surprise me by now but the bare faced disdain for women who need single sex spaces still stuns me.

AlisonDonut · 21/07/2023 22:42

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NicCageisnotNickCave · 21/07/2023 22:48

334bu · 21/07/2023 17:16

"This is how a Gender Critical debate on TV or Radio works. They start out by saying trans women should be banned from X - but in the middle of their argument they switch to Men vs Women with references to biological males. And then at the end, they bring it back to trans women."

Really India?????

The only reason us terfy people don’t correctly sex India and pals consistently from the off is because when we’ve tried that we’ve been deleted, shouted down and bullied into silence.
We’ve learned to feel our way around the edges of the topic by using tortuous phrases such as ‘male bodied’ until we feel safe enough (or become frustrated enough) to stop worrying about it.

I for one would love to just call all adult males ‘men’ and all adult females ‘women’… although I am willing to compromise by calling adult males ‘penispeople’ and ‘surgically-removed-penis-people’ but it does take a lot longer to type.

AlisonDonut · 21/07/2023 23:44

Mumsnet.

Deleting comments on breastfeeding versus chest feeding and the net losses to babies when they suckle and get no nutrition.

You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

FigRollsAlly · 21/07/2023 23:48

AlisonDonut · 21/07/2023 23:44

Mumsnet.

Deleting comments on breastfeeding versus chest feeding and the net losses to babies when they suckle and get no nutrition.

You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

Yes, and deleted really quickly too. Someone must have reported it as soon as it appeared.

nettie434 · 21/07/2023 23:51

I don't particularly mind calling India a woman (and I know I'm in a minority here). What I really object to is India dismissing other women who don't conform to her standards of feminine beauty.

WhineyVaginey · 21/07/2023 23:57

The absolute state deleting comments on breastfeeding & larping fetishtic men.

The utter fuckery Mumsnet.

LoobiJee · 22/07/2023 00:02

That’s two posts about harms to children deleted really quickly this evening.

The other one on a thread which is being derailed away from a discussion about safeguarding children in schools and onto adults via an off topic debate about the European Court of Human Rights.

LoobiJee · 22/07/2023 00:04

There’ll be ramping up efforts now in an attempt to get entire threads deleted.

AlisonDonut · 22/07/2023 00:07

I guess that's why that was cut from the original show.

Very interesting.

WhineyVaginey · 22/07/2023 00:14

I guess even Sky news decided it was too stomach churning.

RealityFan · 22/07/2023 00:15

Hold on tight. It looks hopeless when even our safe space and possibly only GC forum is more and more acting against us.

But I believe there's light beyond the storm clouds. The upturn by definition happens at the point of maximum downward pressure.

ConnieLinggusThe69th · 22/07/2023 00:31

He stares for really long periods of time. It's most unnerving! He does blink sometimes but it's like when he stares he's trying to recall something... a script perhaps 🤔