Labour canvasser today

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I'm in one the constituencies with a by-election coming up.

Just had a labour canvasser (woman, mid/late fifties) knock to ask if I was voting. I said yes I would be.

She asked if I knew who I was voting for. I asked if she knew what a woman was. I told her I was a single issue voter and that was the only issue that was going to decide how I voted.

Her response: "I believe a woman is anyone who believes themself to be a woman".

I told her in that case I have nothing else to say to her, and closed the door.

I would have loved to have actually put some of the issues to her (rapists in prisons, assaults in mixed sex spaces, including schools, destruction of women's sports etc) but my heart was already racing and I knew it would be like talking to a brick wall anyway.

But anyway - at least that's a clear pile in the eye for the whole 'it doesn't come up on the doorstep' nonsense.

So, I'm either voting Tory or SDP.

The Tories have run down public services and transferred wealth from the poor to the rich. But can someone pushing 'vote Labour ' explain how Labour would be any different? Their economic policies appear to be the same, so why would the outcomes be different?

Exactly. It's almost 2 yrs since I wrote to my Labour MP begging him to attend & vote on men in women's prisons. I know it's almost 2 yrs because it was the eve of the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Wouldn't it be wonderful, I told him, if women & girls could self I'd as men/boys & carry on unimpeded with their lives?
I also told him, despite the Tories sitting back whilst women's words, spaces & safety were pissed up the wall - at a time expedient the Tories will wash their hands & Labour will end up holding the baby.

Yes - the Tories have some of the most vehement MRAS/TRAS in politics sitting on their benches - NokesForTheBlokes, PennysWithTheMenny to name a couple, but you know what? No man or woman in the Tory party couldn't attend conference. Starmer/Labour banned Lesbian Labour from coference, Joan Smith has asked him innumerable times to meet, to listen to women's concerns.

"Is it true to say that only women can have a cervix?"

"That is something that SHOULDN'T BE SAID"
Keir Starmer MP Leader of the Labour Party
Former Attorney General & HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER .

The Labour party can go fuck itself 7 ways from Wednesday before I ever give them vote.

All keir has to say is women need single sex spaces.

Like he did here?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/keir-starmer-backs-rishi-sunak-rewrite-equality-laws-women/

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Starmer quotes from that article:

"A spokesman for Sir Keir said: “Clarification is a good thing. We’ll look at what’s brought forward.”"

"In an interview with the Sunday Times, Sir Keir said: “I think there is a fear that somehow there could be the rolling back of some of the things that have been won.

“There are still many battles that need to go ahead for women and I don't think we should roll anything back.""
He didn't say - in that article - "women need single sex spaces".

Mordaunt as PM in 2025?

Starmer usually talks about ‘safe spaces’ which include men

Just because you repeat the lie, it doesn't make it true @Ourladycheesusedatum.

Who put rapists into women's prisons?
The Tories.

Who said men should be allowed to identify as women on a legal basis?
Tory PM Theresa May.

Who has presided over the education system that has destroyed the body and minds of our children?

The Tory party.

Whose MPs have reported women to their employers/the police for GC views or just retweeting JKR?

The Tory party.
What party are in power yet still refusing to safeguard women's rights?
The Tory Party.

As I said upthread, stop pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining.

Can't deny any of this as a long term Tory voter.

What do you think of the canvasser on p1 post 1 by the OP Boots? Was she wrong? Have you tried arguing this with Labour HQ and winning hearts and minds there?

Is still doesn’t mean Labour won’t totally destroy any hope on this after the next GE

Look around at other countries for a glimpse

I am still waiting to hear what the Tories have done to better the lives of women in the 13 years they have been in a position to do so.

You'll be waiting forever @calimali. Even now, they can't be arsed repairing the damage they've done in the name of Trans rights, #BeKind, #CompassionateConservatives. And they're not finished yet.

Under the Tories its a long slow process, under Labour it will be fast and brutal. The end result will be the same for women.

The Tories in their rush to rebrand under hug a hoodie call me Dave, oversaw the worst destruction of women rights ever. You're right, they weren't looking because they don't give a fuck.
Once women started to scream the alarm - in some parts of the party they have listened, allowed debate.
All of this would have happened under Labour, the only difference being WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

The cowardice amongst Labour MPs, the complete lack of intellectual heft (send me a 2brainsCook or a Dewar) & complete lack of simple curiosity & inability to HEAR women is fucking astounding!

I think most long term Tory voters have reached this stage Reality. Between now and the the next GE even more will cop on, be it because of Trans, housing, health, immigration, education, the economy or sleaze.

Lack of intellectual heft? Liz Truss, Nadine Doris - actually given positions where they were allowed to make important decisions. I rest my case

Every generation PM wants to leave their mark on social justice legislation, to be remembered as great liberating forces.

Blair brought in the GRA and repealed S28.
Cameron legislated for equal marriage.
May would have brought in Self ID.

Johnson, to his eternal credit, and for maybe the only time deciding on principle rather than narcissistic self advancement, chose not to extend gay conversion ban legislation to include trans.

Starmer will not push Self ID in a first term, buy you can bet your house he'll bring in a Trans Conversion Ban within months of winning, and likely Irish/Canadian style online anti-hate speech laws.

My fear is that Mordaunt will be the Tory opposition leader, and she'll back him to the hilt on this.

It's these two laws that would be the fertile ground for possible Self ID legislation in a second Labour term.

Under Labour we’ll end up like NZ and Canada

I can’t see it any other way, and no one has said it won’t be.

I can only think some think it’s worth it.

So depressing

I'm talking about The Labour front bench, but I suppose yeah race to the fucking bottom. The lack of intellects is so noticed because of its very absence on Labour's benches.

But Rishi Sunak could stop all this shit now? Why isn't he?

Because he doesn't give a shit about women and all that stuff "at least the Tories know what a woman is" was nothing more than a filthy lie from their filthy Tory faces. Some do, some don't, none give a fuck about women's rights.

Jamie Wallis is more important to them than the women of the UK.

Theresa May hasn’t been PM for some time. Self ID is not Tory policy, nor will it be.
which Tory MPs have reported people to their employers or police for supporting GC views or retweeting JKR? I can’t recall this, but my memory isn’t perfect.

Yes, you were convinced she would win the last leadership contest hands down, and were wanting about the disastrous implications all over MN, I don't think your political nous is all that trustworthy on this topic.

And look, Jaime Wallis is irrelevant. He is a joke, has no power, will never influence policy. He will be lucky to get reelected. It's embarrassing that he keeps being brought up as a counter to the fact that the LP is almost totally captured, with some of it's best and most prominent MPs saying that male rapists who identify as women should be in woman's prisons - and in fact seem to actually believe it.

I read your post and then saw this (part 2 of a 3 parter):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304879/With-Keir-Starmer-unable-define-woman-no-wonder-Stonewall-targeting-Labour.html

Those are the only three parties with any representation where I live ( plus maybe a few small far left parties who hate mainstream Labour). There has not been a Tory MP or councillor in the city since the early 1970's.

There will be a Tory candidate for the election. They always put one up - but ususally a very junior person who does it just for the experience of standing, and the party in having a name on the ballot. I've never voted Conservative, and if I knew the view of the candidate on the issue of sex and gender then I might consider it.

The thing is, because they have no chance of winning here there tends to be no visible campaign prior to the election - so you would never meet them, nor hear them speak.

I've done all of that, believe me. It is like knocking your head against a brick wall. All of those three parties are committed to Self Id -even if there may be a few recalcitrants in their ranks.

In my constituency the Labour candidate for MP will win whatever I do - though we do have a Lib Dem councillor, because in terms of local politics many people have simply had enough of Labour. My Lib Dem councillor uses pronouns.

My Labour MP knows how some of her constituents feel on the issue but she genuinely doesn't care.

What we have been planning is an under-cover campaign in her constituency in the lead up to an election, whereby we make sure that the local women from ethnic and racial minorities that she says she is there to represent above all others ( she's full on 'critical race theory' too) know about and understand what her views and intentions are on this issue. Many would be horrified.

Her constituency ( mine too) usually has a very low turn out. People tend to be disinterested and apathetic.