Labour canvasser today

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I'm in one the constituencies with a by-election coming up.

Just had a labour canvasser (woman, mid/late fifties) knock to ask if I was voting. I said yes I would be.

She asked if I knew who I was voting for. I asked if she knew what a woman was. I told her I was a single issue voter and that was the only issue that was going to decide how I voted.

Her response: "I believe a woman is anyone who believes themself to be a woman".

I told her in that case I have nothing else to say to her, and closed the door.

I would have loved to have actually put some of the issues to her (rapists in prisons, assaults in mixed sex spaces, including schools, destruction of women's sports etc) but my heart was already racing and I knew it would be like talking to a brick wall anyway.

But anyway - at least that's a clear pile in the eye for the whole 'it doesn't come up on the doorstep' nonsense.

So, I'm either voting Tory or SDP.

At the top of her ttwitter page she has an icon which says " Followed by Mermaids".

Well, they have commissioned the Cass Review; have blocked Self Id; and have now issued new guidance to schools about socially transitioning children.
They are the only party to have members speak out in support of reality and the importance of biological sex. They also blocked Self ID in Scotland

None of the other parties have done any of that. In fact there is radio silence on all of the above.

I'm not sure people really appreciate how significant it was that the Tories retreated from self-ID. It's a big deal for us and for society, that this didn't happen. But political parties tend not to go to consultation on something as significant as that, and backtrack. It is of course, the point of consultation, but I think it's too easily forgotten what we came so close to losing and how we'd never get it back, once gone.

I also agree about the Cass Review. That came following Mordaunt's supposed research that never led to anything. Again, they could've mumbled about that being "complex and ongoing" (or some PR BS). But they didn't. That review is being looked at round the world.

These are not small things.

All of the parties had been asleep at the wheel as gender ideology was inserted, under-cove,r into all of our institutions - primarily at the behest of Stonewall on the back of the goodwill accumulated on gay rights.

Thanks to the grassroots movement to push back against Self Id people have now woken up - including some in government ( have you seen Kemi Badenoch in action?) - and that is why Self Id was blocked.

When that was happening, the Labour party were still expelling women from local CLPs and referring to WPUK and FPFW as 'hate groups'. Had Labour been in power then, we'd already have Self ID.

Absolutely!

All of that hard work and effor leading up to the bill on Self Id paid off. Now Britain is 'Terf Island' and a beacon of hope and know-how for other countries to follow.

All of those countries who passed self Id at the same time as gay equality - are now starting to back-track and question.

I am surprised anyone believes dialogue with the Labour Party is a way forward given that they won't even talk to The Labour Women's Declaration in public. If that changes then I will reconsider - it will be one of my weathervanes as the election approaches.

We are going to have a lot more to worry about than sport and public toilets if the conservatives get back in. Single mums already are living in one room with children having to move schools and can't afford food. Food will be even more filled of additives making us sick. Paying for healthcare will take people's savings. Destruction of the environment and public transport.

Best idea is to join the Labour party so can discuss and impact

Some of us are ex Labour party members; and some were expelled from their local CLPS on account of their views on Sex and Gender.

I seriously doubt Labour is going to be able to make much impact on the issues you talk about. They are also committed to getting inflation down and no more public spending. PlussSome of these issues are gloabl in nature - such as the issues with uncontrolled migration. Britain is spending half a million pounds per day on hotel accommodation for illegal migrants.

Where I live one landlord attempted to evict some key workers and students from their accommodation so that he could make more money from accommodating migrants instead. Some of the poorer councils are being expected to take a disproportionate number and are having to provide services and facilities out of their own much reduced budgets. What is Labour's answer to this?

Covid and lockdown caused a lot of damage to the economy - with many businesses failing, and some still are now that the financial support has ceased. Lots of people never returned to work after lock-down and many developed mental health problems. Labour were always quick to call for harder, faster and longer lock-downs - including for schools.

So far they are big on criticism, but short on actual solutions to most of the problems we face. I suspect a lot of anger when things don't immediately improve in the way people are hoping for. The unions and the traditional left has already turned its back on Starmer - in fact they hate him with a psssion almost as strong as for the Tories.

Regarding the NHS; it is broken and can no loger do the job it was set up to do. It requires fundamental change, not just more money.

Last I heard, if you had terfy views they dont want you.

Where is Labour getting funds from?

Joining Labour party will do nothing, other than validate by boosting membership numbers.

Starmer can’t hear you in or out of his party.

Yes to this

Look at Wales and their policies - they have been run by Labour for more than 20 years.

unherd.com/thepost/why-is-wales-copying-scotlands-gender-self-id-blunder/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64228256.amp

While you're at it look at the state of their NHS and education. Of course Welsh Gov complain it's lack of funding from Westminster but they get get £1.20 for every £1 spent in England.

That's the blueprint for Labour in power and they cannot be trusted on this issue

Starmer can’t hear you in or out of his party.

He seems to refuse to listen to Duffield. I was surprised to see him sticking to the two child cap - an issue that detrimentally affects women - meanwhile he's not backtracked on self-ID but he is muttering about "building consensus" - an issue that positively affects males' ability to destroy our rights.

Oh wait, maybe I wasn't surprised about the cap.

If you think your political and career survival depends on an issue not coming up then you could stuff a room with banners, talk about it at the doorstep, send in emails it won’t work

Labour have their line - no one is talking about it. Whether they are or not, and people clearly are, and they’ll stick to it.

It’s working, the local elections confirmed that to them

We may be Terf island now, how much longer after the GE?

Best idea is to join the Labour party so can discuss and impact
Like many posters on this thread, I have been a Labour Party member. They won't even talk to The Labour Women's Declaration.

They won't even talk to The Labour Women's Declaration.
I meant to add, or if they do, they won't do it in public.

This year's conference will give a good idea of where Labour is at regards this issue. The Labour Women's declaration has applied to have a stall again. Let's see what happens?

Unfortunately, not only have Labour been completely open about their intention to remove women's rights, they have also been clear they are keeping the same spending plans as the Tories. Apart from where they plan to reintroduce austerity cuts of course, eg Reeves has often spoken of her intention to crack down on benefits for disabled people and they've been lauding Osborne's disastrous and malicious policies. You might be better off joining the Tories and influencing them because Labour is a lost cause.

Alongside the Labour party annual conference, there is another conference called 'The World Transformed'. It runs alongside but completely separate from the main Labour conference and it is attended by all of the main voices i Left/progressive politics. People such as Paul Mason, Jeremy Corbyn, Owen Jones.......They do not attend the main conference at all, just their own events and discussions.

The World Transformed represents the Momentum faction of the Labour Party - and it is no coincidence that the prefix trans is included - becaue it is full on LGBTQ+/drag queens/trans rights. Not a hint of women's single sex rights to be seen.

These people despise Kier Starmer, but they will vote Labour anyway - and it is they who influence the Labour party's policy on Self Id. People within the parliamentary party such as Nadia Whittome, Kim Johnson, Lloyd Moyle would attend 'The World Transformed' themselves if they did not value their position in the parliamentary party so much.

Yvette Cooper has been on telly this morning saying no, they're not removing the two child cap. I imagine they see this as "middle ground" territory - which I think is a mistake. If that's not going with Labour or the Tories but Labour are going to press on with self-ID, it's them that's moved to the right! Madness.

I think the implication that woman haven't been telling the LP what they want is fairly offensive.

"Oh you silly girl, just tell them how you feel. That's how you make political gains."

As if women have not been trying to talk about this to the LP for years - they have been ignored, expelled from the party, told to vote Tory, called bigots and dinosaurs.

Yes I'll be watching very closely. In some ways I think that will give a better indication than their manifesto, which I expect will be wordsmithed and scrutinised to ensure it gives nothing away.

Is it just me, but given the population crises, and the costs and problems of using migrants to plug holes, wouldn't it maybe be sensible to NOT discourage people from having kids?

OT I know but it just seems weird to me. And frankly, not helping out children born in the UK while pushing the necessity, indeed obligation, of housing refugees who find their way to the UK seems a bit contradictory too.

I think the implication that woman haven't been telling the LP what they want is fairly offensive.
Yes, offensive and tone deaf.