Labour canvasser today

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I'm in one the constituencies with a by-election coming up.

Just had a labour canvasser (woman, mid/late fifties) knock to ask if I was voting. I said yes I would be.

She asked if I knew who I was voting for. I asked if she knew what a woman was. I told her I was a single issue voter and that was the only issue that was going to decide how I voted.

Her response: "I believe a woman is anyone who believes themself to be a woman".

I told her in that case I have nothing else to say to her, and closed the door.

I would have loved to have actually put some of the issues to her (rapists in prisons, assaults in mixed sex spaces, including schools, destruction of women's sports etc) but my heart was already racing and I knew it would be like talking to a brick wall anyway.

But anyway - at least that's a clear pile in the eye for the whole 'it doesn't come up on the doorstep' nonsense.

So, I'm either voting Tory or SDP.

Update!

Just got a Tory leaflet through, but no knock. Chased her down the street to ask what the Tory candidate's view on women's sex based rights is 😂

Explained what had happened with the labour canvasser and she pulled an excellent 🙄 face. Said she couldn't speak for Tory candidate but she would expect it would not be that, and that it's certainly not how she defines a woman.

She has just come and knocked on the door with a bit of paper, I've given her my name and address, email and phone, she will ask the candidate to get in touch with me.

Your Labour woman example, is the type who now makes my skin crawl, they are Myra Hindly, enabler types with zero insight.

Well done OP. The more of us who give this message to canvassers on the doorstep, the better.

The follow up question should be

"Do you know what circular logic is"

Bravo OP. Reassuring you have other candidates in the area who can offer a grip on reality as a starting point for serving the constituency.

Although I'm still left wondering htaf did we get to the point where this is even something a voter has to worry about.

It’s a nightmare knowing how to vote at the moment! I’ve mostly been Labour all my voting life, not a cat’s chance in hell I would vote Tory.

I've never yet voted Tory. Never thought I would. But I don't want to waste a vote on a minority party, I can't vote Labour, and I spoiled my ballot last time - this time I really do feel the need to cast a vote.

Good for you.

We have a family member who is currently still suspended from the Labour Party for daring to question the "lady-feels" approach they're taking.

I've been raising this issue with any canvasser who has knocked on my door since 2013. Marginal constituency, so there have been loads of them. Yet, apparently, "no one ever raises it on the doorstep" 🙄

Our Lesbian Labour counsellor had no idea what TWAW actually stood for!

Awful

"Nobody ever raises it on the doorstop", they probably do believe this because it is only women who are raising it on the doorstep and as everyone knows we are invisible and inaudible.

We’re in an absolute bind here for the GE. The seat is a Labour target as the current MP is one of the worst of the worst Tories, he’s notorious for his views. The Labour candidate is a TWAW type female however and it’s a two-way fight. I’m going to hold my nose and vote Labour I think, given that the Tory is a horror who must be taken down.

No one ever raises it is just no one should raise it, it makes us look bad

While I think this is a massive issue, I will still vote Labour. As is often said, you don't have to agree with everyone on everything and this is my only real point of disagreement with Labour policies. I will fight this corner when Labour are in power.

For what it's worth - I was also canvassed today, by our local Labour MP. I said that I was unhappy with Labour's apparent policy on self-ID, and she told me that self-ID was definitely not Labour policy, and (fairly strongly) that she was against it.

Good luck after the GE

If they get mandate based on gender policies I doubt they’ll take much notice

They don’t already now when they want votes, I can’t see that changing when actually in power and have them

You do know that rolling back social change is impossible? Once this in kiss goodbye to single sex spaces. I won't risk voting Labour whilst they are wedded to this ideology.

While I think this is a massive issue, I will still vote Labour. As is often said, you don't have to agree with everyone on everything and this is my only real point of disagreement with Labour policies.

Of course, if you feel you have to vote for them in the end, you can do that – it's a secret ballot.

What's important is that you tell them it's an issue that makes you much less likely to vote for them.

There's a lot of resistance to this social change - I don't think it's a done deal. I think it's more important on a range of issues to get a change of government!

There Isn’t enough resistance to stop it happening that’s the issue

And if you vote for it, it’s mandate for whatever they’ve proposed. Anything afterwards will do even less.

Sadly we’re looking at one of the few countries being pro women on this losing that and joining the rest NZ, Canada etc

I'm afraid there is no doubt that if we do get a change of government, women's rights, gay rights, child safeguarding and democracy/transparency will be terminally fucked for decades.

I am not willing to do that to women and girls, or anyone else. Living in a country where the government believes in alternative realities created by a powerful and privileged few, policing and punishing the proles into silence and compliance? Hell to the no. If they're all in to this, then I cannot trust or waste time on anything else they might have to say.

This. And it will take decades to claw them back. If we ever do.

But they have no motivation to listen to you once they are in power.

That would be like marrying a man who never does any housework thinking, ‘l’ll raise it with him once we are married’ and then being stunned and frustrated he still never does any housework.