Labour canvasser today

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I'm in one the constituencies with a by-election coming up.

Just had a labour canvasser (woman, mid/late fifties) knock to ask if I was voting. I said yes I would be.

She asked if I knew who I was voting for. I asked if she knew what a woman was. I told her I was a single issue voter and that was the only issue that was going to decide how I voted.

Her response: "I believe a woman is anyone who believes themself to be a woman".

I told her in that case I have nothing else to say to her, and closed the door.

I would have loved to have actually put some of the issues to her (rapists in prisons, assaults in mixed sex spaces, including schools, destruction of women's sports etc) but my heart was already racing and I knew it would be like talking to a brick wall anyway.

But anyway - at least that's a clear pile in the eye for the whole 'it doesn't come up on the doorstep' nonsense.

So, I'm either voting Tory or SDP.

I'm sorry but those are pointless arguments when you're arguing for a party that would make it impossible to define women as a group or accurately record statistics for them.

If women don't exist then there's no longer any point in worrying about single parents and women in poverty and all the rest of it. It'll be gone. Game over. Nice pretty campaigns about 'look at us raising a mixed sex mostly male focused women out of poverty' will mean fuck all to actual women and their problems.

Not to mention the additional barriers raised for those marginalised women that now can't use public toilets, go swimming, go to the women's groups they used to attend, the other lifelines provided via tax payer funding and public services to reach and support those groups. including men fucks this beyond repair .

No matter how nicely a politician dresses it up in pomo burble.

This bunch put men first. While saying they don't believe sex exists.
And they put a chosen political idea ahead of reality regardless of impact on vulnerable people.

Over my dead body do I vote for that.

Good luck with that 🙄

Having a massive majority (if that should happen) doesn't necessarily give a party an easy ride - look at the difficulty in passing the fox-hunting ban, reducing the age of consent to 16, the current Illegal Migration Bill.

I don't see a Labour government dismantling the Equalities Act, overriding the Cass Review and telling sporting bodies to allow trans women into female sport. The country is in far too much of a mess for them to have time to stir up those hornet's nests.

We will be royally fucked if the tories get another term. If I speak to any Labour canvassers I will tell them my concerns but if I were in a marginal id hold my nose and vote to make sure the Tories GTFO.

I honestly don't know if I can vote for any of them. I used to be Labour but for obvs reasons, left them. In the scheme of things , Labour policies apart for self Id are more to my political beliefs but I find alot of their Mps absolutely disgusting like Clive Lewis. Same with the Lib Dems. Greens are dodgy. And all the nonsense has been going on under the Tories hasn't it and I don't trust them to do much about men invading our spaces. Or children being harmed by GI. So I don't know. I do think the country is in a right bloody state with the Tories. The Labour canvasser sounds pathetic ,OP. They don't come near my house as I know alot of them cos I used to be in the local Party and they know my terven ways. Might just spoil my vote again. Depressing isn't it?

I live in Canada. I would just like to say, don't underestimate the consequences if these kinds of laws get changed.

It will suddenly become almost impossible to speak out on the issue. If you feel people risk their jobs now, it will be 100 times worse.

Make it the SDP. Tories have no honour themselves...signed, an eight-times Tory voter.

Have a look at @Rudderneck post. Are you ok with that?

But you didn't ask the same question? How do you not know that the Tory would have answered what she thought a woman was the same way? If you already told her about the labour candidate then she is going to tell you the opposite as that is what you want to hear.

I've no idea if your stats are correct, however if we add men into women as will, happen with self Id, none of your stats will matter.

Women will not be a stand alone demographic, added to the women demographic will be any man who says he is a woman.

How can you fight for fairness for women if you cant identify the women.

Yes torys bad, and yet Tory can state what a woman is. How about that? Who knew they can tell the truth sometimes.

You do you, in the meantime I'll vote for the party that will keep men out of single sex spaces or at least say they will.

This should not be a fight any woman should have to fight, this should have been set in stone decades ago. It hasn't been and now it matters. It matters so much to me that I'm voting Tory as it stands.
All labour have to do is match that.

@Rudderneck could you tell us a little bit about what it's like on the ground in Canada now? I'd be interested to hear what the actual impact has been.

Chatting to the chap who'll be our Lib Dem candidate at the next election (I know him socially) and asked him the same question as OP did the canvasser. He totally dodged it and said he hadn't considered any of this 'gender stuff'. I didn't quite call him a liar. But told him I found that hard to believe, and that if true he'd better have some credible answers.

The worst safeguarding fail in our lifetime.

It is Handmaids tale in reverse there. I am watching with horror as you destroy the children, women and there is also the MAID Eugenics / organ transplants.

It makes me physically sick.

That's what Labour will do here too, the liberal left are worse than the Tory party and I never thought it was possible.

Sure. But how are Labour going to be significantly different? Their economic policy looks very similar to the Tories'.

I'm already resolving to voting for an independent. This is Liz Truss country, about as safe a Tory seat as they come.

Can't wait to torture her, and the Lab and LD candidates over the What Is A Woman? question.

But I've resolved never to vote for any party that is happy to defy material reality.

Long term, I think independent candidates are probably the answer, to send sufficient message to all the established parties that the electorate don't want them and are no longer prepared to support them. That would force the return of actual representation.

However at the next election the only realistic end point is con or lab. And most likely lab with a raggle taggle bunch of every other leftist nut job party in a coalition, which brings the absolute worst of critical theory politics and unleashes it. They will tell voters: we won on this. This (ending of women's rights and child safeguarding) is what you said you wanted!

I cannot vote for any party I want, who I respect or want in power or feel represented by. I'm down to trying to vote tactically to have another five years to fight for women's rights to be retained where at least the government is dragging its feet and has some doubts instead of shouting 'full speed ahead! Yippee, fuck women!'. And hopefully something better may come along.

I don’t think Labour care if people spoil their ballot or vote independent they just don’t want you to vote Tory due to their woeful stance on gender ideology

The “something better” will most likely be a Badenoch led Tory party; which may well happen, at least if she’s put before the party membership as an option. She’s v popular at grassroots level by all accounts; her directness is appreciated.

I believe Starmer will squeeze in, and various spinning tops will clash into each other meaning he'll fail over four years. Badenoch or Cates needs to be the leader to offer a culturally distinct message to win in 2028.

Streeting may voice support for single sex spaces (so does Starmer) but his party also says .1% of women have a penis. It’s fairly clear to me that Labour’s fudge will be that these penis having “women” are also women for the purposes of single sex spaces. Starmer is a lawyer, this grey area is being carefully maintained, so that Labour can sneakily face both ways.

So my question to canvassers would be: does Labour support single sex spaces/sports/prisons? If so, does Labour consider a trans woman a woman for the purposes of qualifying for single sex status?

Starmer, like all of his kind, thinks he is cleverer than the electorate, and that the attempted sleight of hand will not be spotted.
let him try it. He’ll find out, the pompous fool.

No, south west.