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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maybelline

65 replies

Jongleterre · 14/07/2023 11:02

Another one to add to my list of companies that I boycott.

Maybelline faces backlash after using men to promote its new lipstick https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12295401/Maybelline-faces-furious-backlash-using-men-promote-new-lipstick-line.html?ito=nativesharee_article-top

OP posts:
MishyJDI · 14/07/2023 11:05

If men want to wear lipstick why not? Gender policing does not help. Let them express themselves.

BillyBraggisnotmylover · 14/07/2023 11:06

No issue with this personally. Almost feels a little quaint in the current climate.

Brefugee · 14/07/2023 11:14

When i was a teenage Goth and i hung out with other teenage goths and New Romantics (early 80s) and worked in a NAAFI bar (for soldiers) even some of the soldiers wore eyeliner, mascara and lippy (often my beautiful shimmery blue Biba eyeshadow in the cute little pot) to go clubbing in Hamburg on a Saturday night.

That isn't the problem for me.

The problem is that the one putting on the red is wearing a lilac top - the colours clash (the red looks great, though)
The other one is pulling a duck face that were a woman to be doing it, would be ripped to shreds by twats on the interwebz

Mascara guy, tho? skillz. You so rarely see anyone apply mascara without having their mouth wide open.

Also IME their lippy stays on approximately 5 minutes. It's teenager make-up, isn't it?

BillyBraggisnotmylover · 14/07/2023 11:17

Ooo, no, their SuperStay lippies live up to their name!

Brefugee · 14/07/2023 11:28

really? do they dry your lips out like the L'Oreal ones? (I am on the lookout for the perfect blue Lippy. Miners did one a billion years ago called Gipsy Rose, never found anything to match it since then)

Grimchmas · 14/07/2023 11:30

Zero problem with this.

Massive problem with them using Dylan and calling him a girl.

senua · 14/07/2023 11:30

If men want to wear make-up then that's fine (providing that it's not overdone, but that holds for women too). As long as they don't claim that it makes them change sex. Maybe Maybelline have learnt from the Mulvaney episode.

It's a bit desperate to be 'partnering' with someone with only 49,000 followers , though, innit.

RoseslnTheHospital · 14/07/2023 11:32

I don't care if they want to use men to advertise make up. If they think it will increase sales to girls and women then that's up to them. I don't wear make up so I am uninterested in what they're flogging. Tbh if make up becomes a thing for men rather than a thing for women I'd be fine for that to happen.

They're not saying that these men become women because they're wearing make up. They are just men, in make up.

Brefugee · 14/07/2023 11:34

yep, I'm not seeing the issue here.
Maybelline exists to make profit. If they can persuade the other 50% of the population that lippy might be for them too? have at it.

DentonFarley · 14/07/2023 11:35

Can you explain your issue with it OP?

HappyJunkie · 14/07/2023 11:35

My vagina clangs shut at the sight of men in make-up, urrgh

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 14/07/2023 11:35

Grimchmas · 14/07/2023 11:30

Zero problem with this.

Massive problem with them using Dylan and calling him a girl.

^ my thoughts exactly. If they're just men wearing makeup then why not? I don't care. So long as they're not claiming to be women.

Apollo441 · 14/07/2023 11:37

Not a problem. Knock yourselves out. Isn't this what we are aiming for? Abolition of gender stereotypes?
As long as it is understood that this doesn't make a man a woman.

MowingTheTerf · 14/07/2023 11:46

They are using men who call themselves men. It's odd, but they're not claiming to be anything else.

This one sounds a lot like the MRAs who announce a boycott of sports brands because they decided to use a female athlete to advertise their products.

LonginesPrime · 14/07/2023 11:56

I'm going to reserve judgment until I know how these people treat women and what Maybelline is actually trying to say by using these models.

For example, if they make their money from mocking women and promoting damaging damaging sexist stereotypes as DM does, then I would be very insulted that Maybelline, whose customer base is mainly women, would promote such misogyny. Ditto if Maybelline are saying these people are actual women.

But if they're just men who aren't being misogynistic but simply like a bit of lipstick, then on the face of it, I'd probably be ok with it.

However, I've been burned so many times by thinking "oh that seems harmless enough" when it comes to gender-related issues over the past few years that I'm now very wary of simply saying "I'm fine with that", as it never ends up being just "that" when it comes to gender identity ideology.

I find that reading someone's subversion of gender stereotypes as if it's the same empowering gesture it would have been five years ago can inadvertently end up contributing in some unforeseen way to the furtherance of gender identity ideology,

The cultural cues that people derive from these messages has changed enormously in the past few years, and I think it would be a mistake to view them as they would have been intended before the advent of gender identity ideology.

Yes, if we were in the old world, a man wearing makeup would have been a good thing. But we're not in the old world anymore, and these things are far more complex today.

SpicyMoth · 14/07/2023 14:03

I feel like having an issue with this kind of stuff just gives the ideology activists more ammunition re; "gatekeeping femininity" (aka, stereotypes).

If an effeminate man wants to be effeminate, let him, who cares as long as he doesn't claim he is literally a woman for doing so?

Kaaardiffgalnow · 14/07/2023 14:10

I'm as GC as it's possible to be and boycott several companies because of their gender twaddle, but this is fine! It's not men pretending to be women.

SaleOfTwoTitties · 14/07/2023 14:17

Men prancing around in women's sports bras etc, for an advert, just makes me think if it suits them, it won't suit me. Because I am a completely different shape.

Mimicking women is offensive.
Men wearing makeup is not.

DentonFarley · 14/07/2023 14:25

Men prancing around in women's sports bras etc, for an advert, just makes me think if it suits them, it won't suit me. Because I am a completely different shape.

Agree but sadly in my case I am probably as far from a female model in terms of my body shape as I am from a man so either way adverts tell me nothing about how things will suit me.

Aitchoo · 14/07/2023 14:54

So maybelline thought it was a great idea to create an advert where men pulling stupid instagram smiles would be showing women how to wear lipstick and mascara?
A follow on from the other videos with DM.

I'm guessing they are a fan of bud lite....

Brefugee · 14/07/2023 15:06

but Maybelline haven't used DM have they?

They have used a couple of beardy men. And frankly, 2nd wave feminists should be applauding it as long as nobody (the men or the company) make any indication that it is a gendered action. It is just a bloke in lippy. That is the end of the story. It is about Maybelline expanding their potential customer base from potentially about 52% of the population (51% women 1% trans?) to potentially everyone at all ever.

BeverlyBrook · 14/07/2023 15:11

0.01% would be more accurate

LonginesPrime · 14/07/2023 15:38

but Maybelline haven't used DM have they?

I think they did quite recently.

namitynamechange · 14/07/2023 15:47

HappyJunkie · 14/07/2023 11:35

My vagina clangs shut at the sight of men in make-up, urrgh

Some men can wear it and look incredibly hot. For some reason it enhances their masculinity. Other men nope (although of course are still perfectly within their rights to wear it. I doubt me finding it attractive is top of their decision making priorities)

Gingernaut · 14/07/2023 15:49

A fella with a beard advertising make up is not a problem as long as he's not telling us he's non binary or a woman.

As I don't wear make up (very trans/masculine/non binary of me) I can't get worked up about it.

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