Lucy Spraggan 'When I was a boy'

[NancyDrawed]

A post promoting Lucy Spraggan's book appeared in my Facebook feed and I found it really interesting that she chose to post the following:

There’s a chapter in my book called ‘When I Was a Little Boy’ which talks about, well, when I was a little boy.
I was born biologically female but from a young age I chose to be called Max and lived - completely authentically - as a boy.
I talk about in all the ways that my family nurtured my identity and in all the ways that freedom to be myself, freedom to be Max, helped me to grow.
It was only recently that I discovered how much Max is still a part of me and I talk about that too.
Anyway, I wanted you to meet Max. So here’s some pics of me then

I wonder whether she will go all out and say she is glad, as a happy adult lesbian, that her family let her just work it all out for herself.

One of the comments:

'I love this. However, in todays society, Lucy’s parents would have been encouraged to give her hormones and other drugs to change her body from female to male which DOES have irreparable side effects. I agree with allowing children to be who they feel comfortable being, I don’t agree with giving them drugs and medication to make a life changing decision that they just aren’t equipped to make at such a young age. I too was “all boy” when I was younger but thank god I wasn’t given the opportunity to change my gender, I love being a woman and back then I had no concept of what being a man OR woman meant in the world. I just wanted to play football, and only boys were allowed to do that. Hence why I cut my hair short and tried to pass myself off as a boy for years as a kid. I had no concept though of what I was doing. Nature took its course and thank god it did, I love being a woman and I love all my womanly parts. Children need to be supported in whatever they want to do, but making life changing decisions is something they should decide as an adult.'

I meant she acknowledges that she didn't adhere to female stereotypes as a kid- but thinks this means she should have transitioned prior to puberty, rather than seeing that the whole notion of gender ideology is bullshit
do you honestly think it's a tragedy that she didnt have puberty blockers/mastectomy/hysterectomy/testosterone injections
she's middle class, artsy and has her blinkers on
whatever has happened in her life, however terrible, does not negate the fact that she's wrong on this issue and may well be unwittingly harming gender non-confirming younger girls/women, primarily lesbians

non-conforming

Artsy 🤣🤣

The only people harming gender non conforming people is people with idiotic views like yours.

ah so you're on board with all the medical modifications a girl/woman can make to her body to pretend to be male
good to know

Such a clever comment.

No.

But I'm certainly not.remorelu interested in engaging with an idiot who refers to ideology as bullshit.
Two very different things.

Btw, Lucy doesnt endorse it. You might have missed that with making things up about her to suit your agenda.

do you know i would be more than thrilled to be wrong about her- I was so pleased to read her initial comments about stereotypes and whatnot and disheartened when I read that she wished she could've transed as a kid
If I've misunderstood that then I'm delighted
you'll find that reasonable people, not immersed in ideology are like that: happy to be proved wrong if it means a good outcome

absolutely @OldCrone and whatever has happened in her life does not alter that one jot

1. she hasnt told anyone to do that
2. Weve already had someone suggesting that being a victim of what she has shouldnt relieve her from being judgement, it was disgusting then and it's disgusting now
3. you have no right to be disheartened, she owes you nothing and doesnt answer to you
4. you called gender ideology bullshit which means your opinions cant be taken seriously anyway
5. you're wrong about far more than just Lucy, you're just too entitled to see it.

she hasnt told anyone to do that

Donating to Mermaids and saying that she wishes she could have been transed as a child suggests that she thinks transing children is a positive thing.

Weve already had someone suggesting that being a victim of what she has shouldnt relieve her from being judgement, it was disgusting then and it's disgusting now

Can you explain what you mean by this?

you called gender ideology bullshit

Which it is. In case you hadn't noticed, this is the feminism board. We don't have a lot of time for regressive gender stereotyping here.

haven't you heard- we're not ceding to emotional blackmail any longer- what other tactics do you have?

We 😴

Put simply, Lucy doesn't answer to you. Do you need it rephrased?

sorry @OldCrone my last message was obviously for the lovely Wild

You know what I mean you were here when it happened.

I'm disappointed OC as witn our opposing views I thought your previous posts were thought provoking. Calling gender ideology bullshit is just offensive.

'Suggests' that's very different to her endorsing and or telling children to do things.

I donate to dogs charity, doesnt mean I want to be a dog.

Lucy's choice to donate to mermaids )and I'm annoyed we are back on this again) is separate to her writing about her own experiences in her book.

The irony is this started because people thought Lucy was speaking out against transition. Now it appears she wasnt, people are forced to make things up.

As for your comment about the boards, that's just childish. You might be a strong collective, but your opinions are no more valid than anyone elses.

😘

I like that. A name change might be in order just for you

You know what I mean you were here when it happened.

Is this the idea that if someone has had a traumatic experience that they cannot be judged on anything for the rest of their life?

Calling gender ideology bullshit is just offensive.

Gender ideology is offensive.

I donate to dogs charity, doesnt mean I want to be a dog.

If you donate to a dogs charity, it suggests to me that you think that charity does good work and it would be reasonable to assume that you like dogs.

If you donate to Mermaids it suggest to me that you agree with their aims and that you believe that transing children is a positive thing. If you also say that you lived as the opposite sex as a child and that you wish you'd been transed as a child, that reinforces the impression that you are in favour of transing children. Why do you think this is separate from what Lucy wrote in her book?

I don't know why you find it surprising that anyone is against gender ideology/stereotyping on a feminist board.

Because feminist board or not which seems to be played like a fallible power play card, I thought people respected others views.

You can say you disagree with it but to call it bullshit is unnecessary. I think a lot of 'feminist' views are wrong but I would never call them bullshit.

Youvr made a completely false connection. Lucy wishes shed been transitioned. That doesnt mean she wants that for other people. Shes talking about herself, as shes allowed to do. Nowhere has she ever endorsed it at all.

Yes, she likes mermaids. Shes allowed to. Doesnr mean she endorses anything.

As for the point about the opinions, I'm not getting into that again. I've made my viewpoint clear. Criticising someone for what charity they donated to off the back of talki g about her sexual assault was vile. You can debate it as much as you like, I stand by that.

Yes, she likes mermaids. Shes allowed to. Doesnr mean she endorses anything.

Why would you donate to a charity unless you agreed with what they were doing? The donation is the endorsement.

This is the first time I’ve heard of Lucy or ‘her troubles’ as you describe them.

I’m the mother of a child harmed by Mermaids so who donates money to them is always of interest, especially when that person’s own gender Dysphoria resolved naturally, in a way that is denied to many children today.

*infallible

For what it's worth, and I mean this, even though we will not agree, I'm sorry to hear that.

As you say, Lucy wasnt known to you. She doesnt owe you anything.

Incidentally nobody can say its resolved. She just hasnt transitioned. Two different things.

Of course she doesn’t ‘owe’ anything.

But we can discuss her peculiarly poor judgement. That’s what discussion forums are all about.

@OldCrone how many young people do you think will rush out to he medically transitioned because a singer who they dont know gave some money to a charity? Seriously?

This is akin to the death threats and abuse given to the callers at mermaids.

Your anger and entitlement is going to the wrong people.

You can but by yout own admission you might want to actually research her first.

Sad and strange. Her parents accepted her as she was, and let her grow up normally, but Mermaids encourages children onto drugs, surgery and lifelong medicalisation.

I sympathise with you and your child, Nic. You have every right to make your point about Mermaids anywhere you can. You owe nothing to the people who harmed your child and other children.

If anyone owes anything, I’d say all of us who grew up in safety owe today’s and tomorrow’s children our efforts to protect them.