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Allison Bailey won

93 replies

Ramblingnamechanger · 07/07/2023 14:31

Allison BAiley has just posted that GArden Court Chambers has been ordered to pay 20000 costs, although the chambers wanted her to pay their costs. Another day for good news. Cheers Allison

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MissPollysFitDolly · 07/07/2023 15:29

Excellent end to the week, congrats Allison!

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 07/07/2023 15:35

That's fantastic news. Appalling behaviour by GCC.

PriOn1 · 07/07/2023 15:38

maltravers · 07/07/2023 15:28

Because they will have been responsible for the terrible bundle (either through incompetence or more likely litigation games) and should be named and shamed IMO.

We can’t name and shame, lest the Soggy Bundle-eer reads the thread and pops in to pretend he had nothing to do with it!

RhymesWithOrange · 07/07/2023 15:41

Really very very happy for Allison. She is extraordinary and has been so much. This is an important day for women.

countrypunk · 07/07/2023 15:50

Fenlandia · 07/07/2023 14:45

The press release makes it crystal clear that part of the reason for costs being awarded to Allison was for the unreasonable conduct around how Garden Court prepared the 'bundles' of information:

"The Tribunal finds that a central reason for the problems with the bundle was that Garden Court had “chopped up” email chains into separate emails, which made it difficult to follow the threads, and had produced these as a single pdf of more than 1000 pages which was not indexed and could not be electronically searched.

The Tribunal finds that when Miss Bailey’s solicitors pointed out these problems and tried to find solutions, they were met with “unmerited and unhelpful” accusations that it was they who were not cooperating, but that despite this “for a time the claimant’s team kept going with stoic goodwill”. The Tribunal concludes: “There were some real problems in how the bundle was being put together. [Garden Court’s] solicitor was not prepared to address them in a constructive way, sometimes not at all.” "

Well done all the fine minds who thought they'd get away with that nonsense in court.

This is disgusting behaviour from a barristers chamber. I think they're getting off lightly with a 20k costs order.

TheBiologyStupid · 07/07/2023 15:55

maltravers · 07/07/2023 15:13

Do we know who Garden Court’s solicitors were?

I can't seem to find them. The barristers for Garden Court were Andrew Hochhauser and Jane Russell.

You-know-who was representing Stonewall and wasn't responsible for the bundle.

literalviolence · 07/07/2023 15:56

oh my god:

" Employers and organisations need to be aware that they cannot silence people who oppose Stonewall’s policies and who wish to speak up about the erasure of sex-based rights, safety and safeguarding of women and children, and the medicalisation of gender non-conforming children and young people."

I'm off out tonight and will now upgrade my glass of wine to a glass of champagne.

I do hope the gender ideology bigots will hear this because it's a central and fundamental point. What is happening, when we pretend a man is a woman, when we pretend people can change sex, when we pretend that the only way to deal with the (very genuine) dysphoria which some people experience is surgery and life-long medications with serious side effects, is wrong. It's not progress. It's not equality. It's not kind.

SideWonder · 07/07/2023 16:00

There's a really good legal podcast called Double Jeopardy (I get it via Apple podcasts). In one epi. with Karon Monaghan (2 March 2023), the two hosts admit to regret about the way that GCC took action against Dr Bailey. They sound like straight up Establishment, but they're both quietly radical ...

SidewaysOtter · 07/07/2023 16:14

SideWonder · 07/07/2023 16:00

There's a really good legal podcast called Double Jeopardy (I get it via Apple podcasts). In one epi. with Karon Monaghan (2 March 2023), the two hosts admit to regret about the way that GCC took action against Dr Bailey. They sound like straight up Establishment, but they're both quietly radical ...

How much of their regret was because they've been humiliated publicly and been made to pay accordingly, and how much was because they genuinely think GCC treated Allison badly?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2023 16:19

SideWonder · 07/07/2023 16:00

There's a really good legal podcast called Double Jeopardy (I get it via Apple podcasts). In one epi. with Karon Monaghan (2 March 2023), the two hosts admit to regret about the way that GCC took action against Dr Bailey. They sound like straight up Establishment, but they're both quietly radical ...

I bet Monaghan regrets it - that's the tragedy of this. That chambers was full of radical barristers, good people taking on important social justice cases. Yet they were so captured that they ended up arguing in court that lesbians must have sex with men who claim to be women and that single sex facilities were unacceptable.
They came out looking like bullies and fools - especially when their involvement with with the numerous support dogs, mummies & other random people were exposed to an aghast public audience.
As this charade is increasingly exposed (thinking of today's grim revelations of the new CPS advice about domestic violence) people end up trying to defend the ethically indefensible because decent people don't have the courage or wit to say "stop", "no" or "that's not true" to a sacred caste trying to blow apart the social contract for their own dubious ends.

WickedSerious · 07/07/2023 16:29

I'm raising a pint of gin.

FloweryWowery · 07/07/2023 16:35

Wonderful news. What a battle for Allison, pleased i got to hear her speak - she was so passionate and professional. What a week with Maya and LGBA.

Leafstamp · 07/07/2023 16:37

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Allison has said that she 'will not need to reopen the crowd fund again thanks to the immense generosity of a dear friend.' I'm guessing its the same one who donated 2x £50k last time. Not that that person has ever been named. Fun to guess who it is though Wink Smile

Twoshoesnewshoes · 07/07/2023 16:50

Yay great news!
im going to have a biccie to celebrate 🎉

Floisme · 07/07/2023 16:51

Congratulations Allison, I admire you so much.

AlisonDonut · 07/07/2023 16:59

Congratulations Allison but by heck, that is nowhere near what you deserve.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 07/07/2023 17:00

Just seen this, only gone and made my bloody week.

Done a victory lap around the garden, neighbours and dogs think I'm loopy <twas ever thus.

IwantToRetire · 07/07/2023 17:01

This is really good news.

But wonder how much coverage this will get in the media.

If they were doing their job properly they would be making clear that attempts to silence women / gender criticism are illegal. But in the meantime the Stonewall machine and followers will go on pumping out misinformation about transphobes etc..

I really am glad she has won, but truely shocked at the amount of money this has taken.

It shouldn't have to be like this.

MerlinsLostMarbles · 07/07/2023 17:04

Just so everyone is clear, she lost her case against Stonewall.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-outcome-allison-bailey-case

Allison Bailey won
Florissante · 07/07/2023 17:17

Hooray for Alison!

unwashedanddazed · 07/07/2023 17:20

I'm so pleased for Allison. Not nearly enough to compensate, but enough to put GCC in their place. Their behaviour just proves everything she said.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2023 17:22

Love it that this rattles so many cages 😂

TheFireflies · 07/07/2023 17:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/07/2023 17:22

Love it that this rattles so many cages 😂

I know, right?

And the key win was against GCC. After that, there’s no win for Stonewall. Either they’d also be liable, thus highlighting the danger of taking their advice. Or they’re not liable, leaving companies on the hook instead, thus highlighting the danger of taking their advice.

JanesLittleGirl · 07/07/2023 17:33

MerlinsLostMarbles · 07/07/2023 17:04

Just so everyone is clear, she lost her case against Stonewall.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-outcome-allison-bailey-case

You are, of course, correct. Stonewall merely provided shit advice. It wasn't its fault that GCC followed it. So, how many organisations do you think will follow Stonewall's advice in the future?

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