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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"A cis woman may say “I’m a woman because I was born in a body read as one”

73 replies

Hepwo · 03/07/2023 18:06

https://twitter.com/ButNotTheCity/status/1675875028704063489

A paper for you to critique! The thread title is a quote from the twitter thread by the author so if that's the hypothesis then it's all a bit wonky from the start!

It goes on...

Why? Because it’s not about whether the body makes the gender but rather about the fact that her brain looked at the social messages associated with her body and decided to identify as a woman because of them. It’s still the identification that makes the woman.

I am having a laugh over this woo in the twitter thread, never mind the paper.

There's a podcast too. I may listen for increased entertainment value.
https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/florence-ashley/episodes/What-is-it-like-to-have-a-gender-identity-e26fc9s/a-aa31h25

The author is Canadian.
Enjoy!

https://twitter.com/ButNotTheCity/status/1675875028704063489

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MagpiePi · 04/07/2023 09:01

This is on a level with toddlers believing that it is trees waving that make the wind blow, and it is the wheels going round that make cars move.

JanesLittleGirl · 04/07/2023 10:35

MagpiePi · 04/07/2023 09:01

This is on a level with toddlers believing that it is trees waving that make the wind blow, and it is the wheels going round that make cars move.

I have always believed that cars move because their wheels are going round. Is there another explanation?

JulieHoney · 04/07/2023 10:52

I think it’s more a case of negative associations, @Sundance03 .

”This is what I understand a man to be. That’s not what I feel like. I also like some things I associate with femininity. That means I am a woman.”

” I don’t fit comfortably with the feminine stereotypes and I don’t want to buy into it. Therefore I am a man.”

Kilopascal · 04/07/2023 10:55

It's like believing "cars" do exist but "cars" are nothing to do with petrol powered vehicles, "cars" are actually a type of table so we need to stop using "cars" for the vehicles and start using it for the tables instead

My coffee table is on castors so it's a car?
Some cars are parked, and contain crumbs, so that proves they are tables?

Yep, seems the right sort of logic.

Boiledbeetle · 04/07/2023 10:56

JanesLittleGirl · 04/07/2023 10:35

I have always believed that cars move because their wheels are going round. Is there another explanation?

I thought it was just buses where the wheels go round and round.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/07/2023 11:01

Yep, seems the right sort of logic.

It's the only logic they have. Clownfish exist so therefore biological sex isn't a thing and you shouldn't balk at males calling themselves mums and "breastfeeding".

SabrinaThwaite · 04/07/2023 11:43

Boomboom22 · 03/07/2023 22:56

Sounds like they are very close to understanding feminity / gender as a social construct. Pity they leap to changing bodies to match though. They have almost grasped one of the founding points of feminist oppression there.

If you’ve actually changed your body to match your inner feelz then you really can’t come to any other conclusion, can you?

SockGoddess · 04/07/2023 11:48

Some cars are parked, and contain crumbs, so that proves they are tables?

I’ve just realised my car identifies as a wheelie bin!

SockGoddess · 04/07/2023 11:53

And yes al this would make a lot more sense if you didn’t have to change your body and could simply reject/pick and choose your gender stereotypes- as in feminism.

if sex isnt real and ”gender identity” is about what stereotypes you feel happy with, why would you need the hormones of the sex you are not or want changes to your body to try to resemble the sex you are not? Why would you be resentful and angry if someone of the sex you are not doesn’t believe you’re in the same category as them? It’s all so bananas.

Delphin · 04/07/2023 12:17

"Transitude? I don’t understand that word. When I Google it I get definitions for it as a word in French first defined in 2014 by another academic, references to the writer of this paper, "

My guess is that they are drawing on the concept of "Négritude", developed in the mid 1900s during the fight against French colonialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9gritude

They are comparing the fight of trans persons to the struggle of African peoples for (self) acceptance of the African cultural identities.

Négritude - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A9gritude

Delphin · 04/07/2023 12:35

"They"

Just a side note: I am using this as meaning various french writers (I don't "get" singular they 🤔).

"my car identifies as a wheelie bin!"

I want this as a car sticker!

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 12:36

I think it's a play on pulchritude.

Definitions of pulchritude. physical beauty (especially of a woman) types: curvaceousness, shapeliness, voluptuousness. the quality of having a well-rounded body.

It was the jiggling thighs tweet that gave it away.

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Delphin · 04/07/2023 12:48

That's a new word to me :-). But it fits better with the theme, you're right.

Hepwo · 04/07/2023 12:56

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-thesaurus/vicissitude

Or maybe this. My mind is now supplying me random tude words. Back to work I think!

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/07/2023 13:04

Kilopascal · 04/07/2023 10:55

It's like believing "cars" do exist but "cars" are nothing to do with petrol powered vehicles, "cars" are actually a type of table so we need to stop using "cars" for the vehicles and start using it for the tables instead

My coffee table is on castors so it's a car?
Some cars are parked, and contain crumbs, so that proves they are tables?

Yep, seems the right sort of logic.

It's not even that logical.

It's more like "the belief that the thing with 4 wheels and an engine is a real thing called a car is an illusion, it's just a collection of disparate parts that have nothing to do with being a car. However the belief that there is such a thing as a car is true and therefore we must have garages and motorways and petrol stations and so on because these are the things cars need. And this is what a "car" is. " while pointing to a table.

It's not that the table isn't a car, it's that they seem to have the belief that "cars" exist in the world independently of the concept that gave rise to the name, and therefore they simultaneously claim that the material observation from.which the concept arose is wrong but the concept exists nevertheless.

Capitalismwantsyou · 04/07/2023 13:10

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/07/2023 13:04

It's not even that logical.

It's more like "the belief that the thing with 4 wheels and an engine is a real thing called a car is an illusion, it's just a collection of disparate parts that have nothing to do with being a car. However the belief that there is such a thing as a car is true and therefore we must have garages and motorways and petrol stations and so on because these are the things cars need. And this is what a "car" is. " while pointing to a table.

It's not that the table isn't a car, it's that they seem to have the belief that "cars" exist in the world independently of the concept that gave rise to the name, and therefore they simultaneously claim that the material observation from.which the concept arose is wrong but the concept exists nevertheless.

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” 1984

LarkLane · 04/07/2023 13:24

I gave up due to the immense crapitude contained therein.

Instead, I am watching paint dry on my hall wall and munching a cheese butty. A far better way to waste my time.

RoseslnTheHospital · 04/07/2023 13:27

"Transitude" is used to mean the state of being trans, in the way that @Delphin has mentioned. It's used by the same author in this earlier article:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30968720/

It's more clear in this text what they are using the word to mean.

MavisMcMinty · 04/07/2023 13:43

Delphin · 04/07/2023 12:35

"They"

Just a side note: I am using this as meaning various french writers (I don't "get" singular they 🤔).

"my car identifies as a wheelie bin!"

I want this as a car sticker!

I’d buy that sticker.

Someone, anyone, (not me though) needs to make and sell them.

SockGoddess · 04/07/2023 14:53

I assumed “transitude” came for “trans” and “attitude”. But also it just seems like a way to give trans-ness a cooler name.

Sundance03 · 04/07/2023 16:03

It's all so crazy and bizarre!!!! And makes me worry about the messages being sent to my children.... Who will be confused enough when they go through adolescence.

Gettingbysomehow · 04/07/2023 16:09

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LOAD OF BOLLOX.

TheBiologyStupid · 04/07/2023 21:43

Delphin · 04/07/2023 12:35

"They"

Just a side note: I am using this as meaning various french writers (I don't "get" singular they 🤔).

"my car identifies as a wheelie bin!"

I want this as a car sticker!

What?! "My other car is a wheelie bin"?

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