Are we beginning to see the push back against the extreme left

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As I read this article and the descriptions of these women and their political agenda all I could think of is how far to the left the Overton window has been pushed that these women are considered far right, the fact that these women are not the typical/traditional Conservative type is mentioned and that a lot of this is due to a push back against trans demands. Quite a refreshing article that gives me hope that the extreme left have massively over played their hand.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

I think the other main Communist party in the U.K. is GC ish too. I seem to remember some articles.

Either way, I don’t think of gender identity ideology as left wing so much as uber capitalist. The CPGB certainly saw through it.

Personally I see gender ideology as going hand-in-hand with the Far Right. Both are incredibly harmful.

Are any far right political parties pushing gender ideology?

Or they aren't pushing it, but it's similar to their ideology in some way?

I think it's a huge problem the far right are using this issue and viewed as a potential political home for the gender critical. This embeddens down the viewpoint that those of us that are GC are also racist, homophobic, transphobic Nazis.
This weakens the cause unless you are secretly (or not so secretly in some case) more interested in further the right wing political parties than ensuring women have female only spaces.

We need to distinguish between the Right and Far Right.

It would be lovely if Left- or liberal- leaning parties were prepared to support women's rights, but they are not. If we had waited for Labour or the LibDems in the UK, or Dems in the US, to wake up to the harms of gender ideology, Self-ID would be law by now. I make no apologies at all for making common cause with conservative (small or large C) politicians on this, as much as I may disagree with their other views, and as much as I recognise their own imperfect records on gender ideology.

What "extreme left"? Gender idology has nothing to do with the left/right divide. Its a fever dream created by the internet's insane distortion of discourse and thought.

All these right-wing voices inserting themselves into feminism, exploiting concerns about gender ideology, are becoming frightening. It seems like every other thread I open on this board has a link to the flipping Daily Mail on it.

The latter. It's "men are like this, and women are like that", and you might have certain behavioural characteristics that make you "less of a man/ less womanly". The inescapable tying of physical, biological characteristics to psychological or behavioural ones - like eugenics.

If gender ideology has nothing to do with the political left / right divide then the political right have as much business attempting to discredit it as the left don’t they? By raising concerns they are not “inserting themselves into feminism” they are highlighting what they see as a problematic ideology. The reason the Daily Mail features a lot on these pages is because they cover this issue, as do the Times and the Telegraph. If there is no political divide why are the Guardian and the BBC not attempting to highlight these issues and back up feminists from a left wing perspective?

I agree that the guardian has been absolutely terrible on this issue, @Signalbox . I don't agree with the implicit suggetion in your post that the BBC is a left-wing voice. If you see it as a left-wing voice I just don't know what you mean be left-wing?

Among the other entities that are pushing gender ideology are dozens of corporations, who do it because it suits their marketing objectives. To someone like me, with a broadly socialist outlook, corporate activity of this sort is essentially conservative because it facilitates the continuing economic activity of exploitation that these corporations excel in (by displacing and disguising objective criteria for social justice, replacing them with a subjective, individualist simulacrum of social justice). The BBC increasingly has commercial imparatives, so the dynamic is perhaps similar there.

Agreed. But the above article is filled with three women who are all Far Right. Their parties rooted in fascism. Not something I want to be associated with.

Yes, that does seem to be the logical conclusion of adding together anyone's various intersectionalities - you have a class of one.

Corporate capitalism isn't conservative at all.

It's libertarian, which is to say, a kind of liberalism, like progressivism.

People should keep in mind that while there are still plenty of pushers of libertarian economics on the right, these days it tends to be the right parties that are looking more at things like protection of industry, movement of labour, and locally rooted power structures.

While on the left you find globalism, pushing completely free movement of labour, support for international trade organizations, and other international organizations having more power outside of responsible electoral systems.

When the "left" is taking these kinds of approaches, and calling anyone who wants protection of local industry a bigot, I think it seems pretty clear that the old divides are no longer that meaningful.

Corporate capitalism isn't conservative at all

Yes, perhaps 'conservative' isn't the right word. I meant 'conservative' simply in the sense of shoring up the economic status quo, ie protecting the economic interests of the owners of capital. In that sense, libertarian and old-style 'conservative' are just two sides of the same coin. One or the other will be adopted depending on the needs of capital.

I don't agree with the implicit suggetion in your post that the BBC is a left-wing voice. If you see it as a left-wing voice I just don't know what you mean be left-wing?

Yes I never know what to make of the BBC. I just know I no longer trust them.

One of the founders of the Communist Party was Deborah Lavin who was the mother of Magdalen Bern. No surprise it is GC .

Refounders I suppose I should say as the old Party collapsed in the 90s.

And there’s no way they’re neutral.

dcbc1234, no, no, I haven’t converted to Communism! I am still a Conservative voter - English, but resident for the past 48 years in Scotland.
It’s DD who is Communist. We disagree on politics, and religion (I’m Christian, she’s Buddhist) but respect each other’s views.
Both of us are radical feminists and staunchly gender critical.

I don't see socialism as any different, tbh. Those who have interests in power or goods will use any institutionalized system to retain those things.

Socialism still has those at the top who control the system and maintain their interests through that. It's very much a mirror image of capitalism the a few controlling the political and economic sphere.

Revolutionaries on the left or right with overthrow old systems and implement new ones through violence, but unless you have successive revolutions the same pattern repeats.

I think it's a huge problem the far right are using this issue and viewed as a potential political home for the gender critical. This embeddens down the viewpoint that those of us that are GC are also racist, homophobic, transphobic Nazis.

No the problem is caused by the so called "Left" failing to stand up for women. So far from saying, oh no, we need to be careful, we need to be holding the left to account.

You are allowing the left to distort the view as they are more interested in ping pong politcs that actual issues such as women's rights.

The owners of capital in the UK are anyone who saves in a pension.

As of 2021, pension fund investments in the UK amounted to more than 3.75 trillion U.S. dollars.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/419891/united-kingdom-uk-pension-funds-investments/#statisticContainer

What's wrong with protecting those saver's interests?

GRA reform was raised by the Conservatives. The Telegraph was frequently one of the more positive voices on trans issues a couple of decades ago, especially regarding younger trans people. First newspaper clipping I ever showed the wider family was from it, in fact.

Trans people aren't inherently left or right aligned; those on the right (of which there are plenty!) tend to be in a position of economic and social stability where they can can trust they won't be significantly harmed by trans-hostile policy. For decades, you were significantly more likely to have been able to transition if you were from a core Conservative-friendly demographic anyway.

It's become a deeply polarised left/right ideological association comparatively recently, and a sizeable component of that has been due to the influence of the right-wing voices you mention here. It's deeply, deeply frightening to see the extent to which the issue has become a full-blown Moral Panic.

This is very true and particularly applies to inflation-proofed public sector pensions teachers, doctors, civil servants etc. Most employed people are 'stakeholders' (to use 'New Labour' speak) and thereby have a vested interest in the long-term stability of capital markets.
There comes an age in life when you start to think about how much you have to lose, (property, pension, inheritance for your children etc) were 'some lefty or righty nutters' to gain power.

I know people in left-wing extremist circles in the 1980s used to fantasise about say Labour winning a majority and going straight to Parliament and passing Laws to stop any capital leaving the country. I am probably referring to the Militant Tendency types that Neil Kinnock had to expel.
UK Labour Party never seems to learn from its rather recent history e.g. Momentum/Corbyn and now making it impossible for people who believe in biological reality and child safeguarding to vote for them.
I have now much more to lose economically than in 1997 so might be tending to the right more in any event but expecting me to vote for self-id/genderwoo and cancel culture means I just have to prioritise 'free speech' with my vote.
I happen to believe 'freedom of speech and thought' is the bedrock of any healthy democracy. It is shocking how under attack it has been over the last 15 years supposedly in the name of diversity.

I agree with Julia Hartley-Brewer in today's Telegraph:
'Free speech is something that, like clean drinking water, I had always taken for granted growing up. It simply did not occur to people from my generation – growing up in the 1970s and ‘80s – that free speech was something that would ever be under threat.'

"GRA reform was raised by the Conservatives."

A conservative government allowed gay marriage. That doesn't mean it was a natural right-wing issue. Rather, it was successfully pushed by the left-wing to the point that some conservatives went along with it.

Well said,@Babdoc
And the fascist Neo far right can do one as well. No ta very much here thanks. Nice try folks at normalising the extreme right as your everyday right wing political party.
Here's the thing -they hate women and girls just as much as the rad lib left such as the Ash Sarkar etc( who isn't a Communist by any stretch of the imagination despite her gibberings).