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Are we beginning to see the push back against the extreme left

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Hoardasurass · 02/07/2023 12:28

As I read this article and the descriptions of these women and their political agenda all I could think of is how far to the left the Overton window has been pushed that these women are considered far right, the fact that these women are not the typical/traditional Conservative type is mentioned and that a lot of this is due to a push back against trans demands. Quite a refreshing article that gives me hope that the extreme left have massively over played their hand.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women/

The march of Europe’s right-wing women

The British Conservative party may be hopelessly behind in the polls, yet all over Europe the right is surging ahead. Everywhere you look, the left is losing – in Italy, Spain, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Hungary and now, following an election victory for...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-march-of-europes-right-wing-women

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DemiColon · 02/07/2023 14:58

Babdoc · 02/07/2023 14:28

Do stop saying that the “extreme left” support trans ideology- they categorically do not!
The Communist Party of GB is gender critical, views women as a sex class and fully accepts that their oppression is sex related.
It is the liberal left of centre- Labour, Lib Dem’s, Greens - who are peddling this crap.
DD is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communists, and is so gender critical she actually writes and performs the Dylan Mulvaney send up spoof on Youtube called “Days of Boyhood”.

That's not true in other places though, again here, GB seems to be an outlier.

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 15:08

That's not true in other places though, again here, GB seems to be an outlier.

Interesting. Could you tell us about the other Communist Parties that support transgenderism?

Personally I'm neither Marxist nor communist, but I do like to have a government that looks after the weakest in society and is neither authoritarian nor racist.

Abhannmor · 02/07/2023 15:12

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 02/07/2023 13:58

The transgender agenda has managed very successfully to insert itself in mediocre left-wing parties, but it is the ultimate neo-liberal movement based on extreme individualism and profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Agree totally. There is nothing inherently left-wing about it. But you have to admit that it is depressing how many left-wing and liberal people have fallen for it.

There is nothing whatsoever leftwing about gender woo. Nothing conservative about it either of course. Isn't it a bit of Ayn Rand libertarian anarchy updated for the Internet age?

BarelyLiterate · 02/07/2023 15:18

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Can only see two on Tory branches... Kemi Badenoch and Miriam Cates. Labour? Rosie Duffield?
Limp Dumbs? Greens? SNP? Who's got a bit of confetti to write a name on?

DemiColon · 02/07/2023 15:31

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 15:08

That's not true in other places though, again here, GB seems to be an outlier.

Interesting. Could you tell us about the other Communist Parties that support transgenderism?

Personally I'm neither Marxist nor communist, but I do like to have a government that looks after the weakest in society and is neither authoritarian nor racist.

All of the Communist parties in Canada, at least a year ago, did. The communist party in Australia does, and NZ I believe, and the Communist Party of the US, all support the whole package of LGBTQI+.

I can't speak to Europe I'm afraid, someone else might know.

Backstreets · 02/07/2023 15:38

I’ve voted left leaning all my life and generally find the basic left politics more humane, sustainable and equal
But they have lost the whole plot on this and regularly make morons like Ted Cruz and agitator content mills like Matt Walsh look eminently sensible
No idea how I’ll vote at the next crossroads
(But it would certainly never be for Meloni or Le Pen! Don’t know the third one)

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 15:40

All of the Communist parties in Canada, at least a year ago, did. The communist party in Australia does, and NZ I believe, and the Communist Party of the US, all support the whole package of LGBTQI+

Whao.

Well done for the critical thinking of the UK Communist Party

DemiColon · 02/07/2023 16:10

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 15:40

All of the Communist parties in Canada, at least a year ago, did. The communist party in Australia does, and NZ I believe, and the Communist Party of the US, all support the whole package of LGBTQI+

Whao.

Well done for the critical thinking of the UK Communist Party

My guess it's it's for much the same reasons England overall gone in a different direction, whatever those reasons may be.

Signalbox · 02/07/2023 16:35

Babdoc · 02/07/2023 14:28

Do stop saying that the “extreme left” support trans ideology- they categorically do not!
The Communist Party of GB is gender critical, views women as a sex class and fully accepts that their oppression is sex related.
It is the liberal left of centre- Labour, Lib Dem’s, Greens - who are peddling this crap.
DD is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communists, and is so gender critical she actually writes and performs the Dylan Mulvaney send up spoof on Youtube called “Days of Boyhood”.

I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

I know a couple of people who are involved in the anarchist movement in the uk and trans politics are a constant source of squabbling and falling out. Half of them are completely obsessed with trans identity politics and the other half just seem to want it all to go away. On balance though the trans activists are the dominant side. This has been going on for years way before it infected the mainstream parties. Helen Steel was mobbed at the 2017 Anarchist Book fair but these politics were being pushed way before that.

Also the SWP as always are latching on to trans activism. Trans activist demos are perfect recruiting ground for them because they are full of naïve easy to manipulate young people.

IamAporcupine · 02/07/2023 16:36

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 02/07/2023 13:58

The transgender agenda has managed very successfully to insert itself in mediocre left-wing parties, but it is the ultimate neo-liberal movement based on extreme individualism and profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Agree totally. There is nothing inherently left-wing about it. But you have to admit that it is depressing how many left-wing and liberal people have fallen for it.

Fully agree with this.

The 'liberal progressive' left 🙄

dcbc1234 · 02/07/2023 16:49

Tallisker · 02/07/2023 14:31

Your DD is fab, Babdoc, and so funny

Babdoc I thought you were a Scottish Conservative voter? Have you converted to communism along with your lovely daughter 😁?

IamAporcupine · 02/07/2023 16:59

DemiColon · 02/07/2023 16:10

My guess it's it's for much the same reasons England overall gone in a different direction, whatever those reasons may be.

The Greek and Spanish Comunist Party seem to be against GI too
(could not find anything re other European countries) but I know wthat the CPs in South America are full on TWAW

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 17:01

@Hepwo

According to Julian Vigo, who lost everything in the floods, the financial relief is going to the wealthy and big business, nothing is going the middle classes or the poor

Bloodysoapoperas · 02/07/2023 17:24

I thought the British Communist party (left wing last time I looked) was the only party not fixated with TWAW ideology ?

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2023 17:29

I cant say I can be bothered to read the article, but maybe the OP's headline is misleading.

I am not aware of any "extreme left" groups having been in power in any european country.

And if this is meant to be about trans ideology, this have come from middle of the road, middle class, individualists who think the world, whether the working class in their own country or those whose countries have natural wealth, should work to provide them with the benefits.

Lets face it even Corbyn wasn't that left wing, it was more a personality cult, which (as UK politics is treated as a reality show by the UK media) set him up as a target for the MSM.

The rise of the far right in Europe is not to be celebrated because it is as a result of just how useless most left, even liberal, political parties are. Or possibly how easy it is for the rich owners of newspapers and tv news stations, to present the more communal, fair shares for all, society is not possible. The endorse the dog it dog world that means that the US one of the richest countries in the world has the worst health service.

RealityFan · 02/07/2023 17:34

Starmer has a choice. Relent to leftist pressures to bring in PR voting, and the start of the post Conservative party phase will start, as alt Right parties form and gain traction in Parliament, a constant five to six party battle of Lab, LDs, Greens, Tories and one or two Alt Right parties.

Or stick with FPTP, risk losing in 2028, ushering in Tories for another four terms.

Mochudubh · 02/07/2023 17:40

@Babdoc
I really wish the Communists would stand in my constituency. I will never vote SNP again unless and until there is a complete change in their...well, everything really. Last time I held my nose and voted for the Alba candidate (who polled less than a convicted sex offender, IIRC) and an independent I didn't know much about.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/07/2023 17:44

No. Fascism is on the rise as it provides a simplistic non solution to problems and people forget history.

Hepwo · 02/07/2023 17:45

What is the non solution it provides?

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/07/2023 17:48

Remove everyone's rights one group at a time.

nettie434 · 02/07/2023 18:24

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 13:50

At least one of those parties, Vox, is fascist, not just right wing.

The transgender agenda has managed very successfully to insert itself in mediocre left-wing parties, but it is the ultimate neo-liberal movement based on extreme individualism and profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Meanwhile, the lower and middle-class flood victims in Italy have had zero assistance from their lovely new right-wing government.

That is so true - and it is striking how vulnerable the 'mediocre left' political parties have been to being captured, to the extent that the Greens seem more interested in transgender issues than the environment.

The Spectator article is interesting but is perhaps too anxious to present most of these women politicians as mainstream right.

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 18:33

@IwantToRetire

Well said

Ingenieur · 02/07/2023 18:34

@DemiColon

On Individualism not being of the Left, I do agree but the Left is pursuing it through Intersectionality, which followed to its logical conclusion is a very clear form of Individualism.

Ofcourseshecan · 02/07/2023 18:48

Coyoacan · 02/07/2023 13:50

At least one of those parties, Vox, is fascist, not just right wing.

The transgender agenda has managed very successfully to insert itself in mediocre left-wing parties, but it is the ultimate neo-liberal movement based on extreme individualism and profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Meanwhile, the lower and middle-class flood victims in Italy have had zero assistance from their lovely new right-wing government.

The transgender agenda has managed very successfully to insert itself in mediocre left-wing parties, but it is the ultimate neo-liberal movement based on extreme individualism and profits for the pharmaceutical industry.

Yes, exactly! It’s not leftwing at all. God knows how anyone can support solipsistic GI ideology while pretending to be a socialist.

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