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Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women'

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IwantToRetire · 29/06/2023 23:32

In May, he shared a post on his private Facebook account from Fair Play for Women, a campaign group that works with governing bodies to preserve women’s sport for those born female, which consisted of a quote from Helen Joyce, a feminist campaigner backed by the author JK Rowling.
The quote, shared without any additional comment, said: “If women cannot stand in a public place and say ‘men cannot be women’, then we do not have women’s rights at all.”

This prompted a junior officer to warn him that his gender-critical views could be at odds with Ministry of Defence transgender policies, before what Dr Wright calls the Army’s “LGBT champions” allegedly drew up a seven-page dossier about his “substandard behaviour” – which he was not allowed to see.

A formal Army investigation was opened in May that could have led to him being formally dismissed or censured under the Major Administrative Action process, through which he has been asked to make a statement.

“This attack on my honour made my position completely untenable. I could no longer remain in an Army which treated its officers with such disrespect.

“What message does it send to women in the Army, that merely for noting the existence of women and women’s rights even a colonel can be placed under investigation? I therefore feel there is no other choice but to make this matter public.
“It makes you wonder who is running the Army: the Chief of the Defence Staff, or Stonewall?

From a much longer Telegraph article reprinted by yahoo at Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women' (yahoo.com) with info about his army career including a Hospital Support Regiment

Colonel 'forced out of Army' after stating 'men cannot be women'

A colonel has claimed he was forced to quit the Army after he was criticised for stating that “men cannot be women”.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/colonel-forced-army-stating-men-183809223.html

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:41

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 08:22

This prompted a junior officer to warn him…

Ah the heady intoxicating power of being able to discipline an older, more senior person through the all powerful righteous morality ‘police’ that we see in the likes of SW etc. You will not be able to speak the truth.

Feels not so far off what happens in other countries that we disparage for their lack of human rights.

Have they issued the little red books yet?

Janie143 · 30/06/2023 08:48

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 08:22

This prompted a junior officer to warn him…

Ah the heady intoxicating power of being able to discipline an older, more senior person through the all powerful righteous morality ‘police’ that we see in the likes of SW etc. You will not be able to speak the truth.

Feels not so far off what happens in other countries that we disparage for their lack of human rights.

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This hits the nail on the head. 100%
Human rights in the UK right now are being dismantled bit by bit.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 09:01

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 08:41

Have they issued the little red books yet?

If the MoD are still a Stonewall champion then that's what they do isn't it? They must comply with Stonewall's instructions, many of them seeking to create a hostile environment for women to remain a Diversity champion.
He's an Intensive Care consultant, led hospital teams in Afghanistan so will have a very clear understanding of facts and biology.
Unbelievable.

TodayInahurry · 30/06/2023 09:02

Pure evil, when people cannot speak the truth

fyn · 30/06/2023 09:17

The army is losing excellent soldiers hand over fist because of low pay and absolutely dreadful accommodation (that we do pay for contrary to popular to popular belief!) The last thing they need is to drive more out with this absolute nonsense.

DH is leaving to do the same job in the private sector for three times the salary without the mouldy houses but he certainly wouldn’t have stood for anybody telling him this either.

MrsCarson · 30/06/2023 09:18

Is he gardening This is one I might send a few packs of seeds to.

AdultFemaleMorningsider · 30/06/2023 09:20

The FSU's supporting him, so I think no gardening needed for now. Hard to imagine it will take more than a stiff solicitor's letter, but things are strange...

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 09:22

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 09:01

If the MoD are still a Stonewall champion then that's what they do isn't it? They must comply with Stonewall's instructions, many of them seeking to create a hostile environment for women to remain a Diversity champion.
He's an Intensive Care consultant, led hospital teams in Afghanistan so will have a very clear understanding of facts and biology.
Unbelievable.

Agree. I was only being minimally sarcastic! I agree with @DrBlackbird about the sinister implications of this. In fact, at the risk of going full-on conspiracy theorist, I would not be surprised if countries hostile to the UK were helping to push this behind the scenes.

To be clear, I'm definitely not suggesting that LGBT advocates in the military are consciously acting as agents of the Kremlin or whoever. I'm not planning to become the rainbow Joe McCarthy! But anything that reduces the effectiveness of NATO defence forces is attractive to hostile powers - it's not that they care about LGBT rights, one way or the other: they just care about disruption

Signalbox · 30/06/2023 09:36

He's an Intensive Care consultant, led hospital teams in Afghanistan

It just blows my mind that the army would discriminate against a person like this. People this qualified must be pretty hard to recruit surely? Wtf is going on?

MrsCarson · 30/06/2023 09:41

I think people should be getting annoyed that the military is wasting a shit load of money on Stonewall in this economy or any time Pressure to stop them should be in place.

CaptainSeven · 30/06/2023 10:18

I have a military background. I remember being involved in recruitment and having to reject candidates because they had thyroid issues and needed regular prescription medicine.
The rejection was a fair enough reason - the army couldn't guarantee that in time of war they'd get much needed medicine to the front lines.

So I was really shocked when trans people were accepted - because they need regular prescription medicine too. I haven't stayed up to date with the fine print on this. Anyone know the details?

ArabeIIaScott · 30/06/2023 10:22

'He is being supported by the Free Speech Union, which has appointed an employment barrister to defend him, as the investigation is still ongoing.'

Why I'm launching a free speech union

This week the High Court ruled that a police probe into the tweets of Harry Miller, an ex-policeman, was unlawful.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/16/launching-free-speech-union/

RavingStone · 30/06/2023 10:33

MrsCarson · 30/06/2023 09:41

I think people should be getting annoyed that the military is wasting a shit load of money on Stonewall in this economy or any time Pressure to stop them should be in place.

Agree.

And I find it pretty sick when organisations who run on taxes from women won't allow women to have a name for themselves. My money is good enough but my humanity isn't. Abusers.

Tallisker · 30/06/2023 10:44

And I find it pretty sick when organisations who run on taxes from women won't allow women to have a name for themselves. My money is good enough but my humanity isn't. Abusers.

This is so well put. Thank you.

The sexism was off the scale when I served but this woman-hating ideology just sticks the boot in again.

Abhannmor · 30/06/2023 10:51

KateJohns · 29/06/2023 23:36

Part of me thinks it's ridiculous he's in that situation, but the other part is cheering him on that he quit and went public about it.

Light is what is needed, too much goes on in the shadows.

Yes I agree completely. My grandad was court martialled on the Western Front during WW1. But at least he was allowed to know the charge against him : Making a flippant remark to an officer. He was demoted.

But this Kafkaesque malarkey is next level ! Imagine what it's doing to morale especially among women in the services.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 11:15

He made this comment which to me sums up so much of what's happening:
"As a commanding officer, I annually teach my soldiers about moral courage, doing the right thing and treating others with respect. Someone with a bit of moral courage could have said this is absolutely trivial, this should be dismissed early on and we should get on with the business of war-fighting, should it ever happen".

The lack of moral courage from so many in standing up to such an evidently harmful belief that people can change sex is staggering.

Froodwithatowel · 30/06/2023 11:21

Fascinating isnt it? Men shagging other men's all seen as a bit disgusting and tolerated only under extreme effort, but men wanting to dress in 'women's clothing' and say that women can't say no to them? Oh that's worth sacking good staff over! That's a hill to die on!

I hope he sues the arse off them and that 10 Downing Street is reaching whole new peaks this morning. At the moment there's a new Sherpa along about every three days.

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 11:21

Janie143 · 30/06/2023 08:48

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This hits the nail on the head. 100%
Human rights in the UK right now are being dismantled bit by bit.

Hence why the most important priority for democracy is free speech. Without free speech we are stuffed.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 30/06/2023 11:27

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 11:21

Hence why the most important priority for democracy is free speech. Without free speech we are stuffed.

Agree very much.

I used to live in the US. The constitutional right to free speech is an incredibly powerful safeguard against over-reach by the State and against the repression of dissenting views. It goes much broader than simply the right to say what you want.

Like all rights, it comes with some downsides, but over all, it is enormously beneficial to a free democracy. I wish we had similar here - not just in statute (arguably the HRA confers similar rights) but in terms of the case law surrounding it.

dcbc1234 · 30/06/2023 11:40

The Government needs to outlaw all 'Diversity Champion' type schemes in any organisation that receives taxpayer funding of any kind eg civil service, armed forces, hospitals, schools, Ofsted etc. This would be a welcome change from what currently seems to prevail i.e. drawing up contract terms when people tender for business insisting on extreme D&I measures in order to be eligible to be awarded said Government contracts.
The private sector will likely slowly withdraw support from the alphabet soup +, once public opinion 'wakes up' to the sinister agenda and how LGB does not have the same interests as the TQ+ and what about all the rest of us and our 'protected characteristics' which are being completely ignored and overridden. At least one major UK party needs to speak for those (the majority) who reject genderwoo.
'Diversity/Ally' schemes have led to a skewing of priorities e.g. recent RAF refusal to recruit white male candidates and would be laughable, were it not so sinister. This is what arbitrary targets always do. They drive inappropriate behaviour at the expense of professional good practice.
People in the RAF should have been able to whistleblow about this policy and the Government Minister should have known what was going on. Did they endorse it too and if so why? Ben Wallace also stood in the Tory Leadership election and I could not find any comforting pro- biological reality comments from him at the time.
It is so scary that this 'gender identity ideology' has swept across all democratic countries at lightening speed. I still cannot really fathom why and why people didn't pushback on Day 1.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/06/2023 12:02

"I still cannot really fathom why and why people didn't pushback on Day 1".

The article by James Kirkup in the Spectator about the Denton's report reveals how the men pushing this ideology deliberately operated behind closed doors in order to avoid democratic scrutiny. Deliberately targeted the young before they develop the skills & resilience to resist gaslighting - hence the focus on schools by organisations that have no wisdom to offer children. It's a terrible indictment of our collective stupidity that this has gone on for so long with governments being deaf to the threats to societal cohesion and women and children's safety:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists

A great deal of the transgender debate is unexplained. One of the most mystifying aspects is the speed and success of a small number of small organisations in achieving major influence over public bodies, politicians and officials. How has a certain id...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

DrBlackbird · 30/06/2023 18:01

The lack of moral courage from so many in standing up to such an evidently harmful belief that people can change sex is staggering

The government needs to outlaw all ‘Diversity Champion’ type schemes

The problem wasn’t with EDI’s, which aims and efforts were initially laudable and (again) ‘progressive’ in expanding representation. Many behind such initiatives felt they were exhibiting moral courage in doing the right thing, which included widening representation of actual women.

The problem came when ‘diversity’ was slowly hijacked by TRAs (men pushing this ideology) such that it now seems the only diversity that counts is the TQ+ and has been done so successfully and effectively that to question this state of affairs is seen to be against diversity. Stonewall’s original remit to support the rights of gay people, let’s not forget, was completely laudable, but over time co-opted by the TQ+.

It’s another example of how proponents of gender ideology have been startlingly effective in exploiting, piggybacking onto, and ultimately diverting progressive efforts towards this specific agenda. Hiding in plain sight as it were. All aided and abetted by a misogynistic society, a complete lack of critical thinking in the rush to be kind, and something a bit darker about the pleasure in controlling others.

Hepwo · 30/06/2023 18:08

Froodwithatowel · 30/06/2023 11:21

Fascinating isnt it? Men shagging other men's all seen as a bit disgusting and tolerated only under extreme effort, but men wanting to dress in 'women's clothing' and say that women can't say no to them? Oh that's worth sacking good staff over! That's a hill to die on!

I hope he sues the arse off them and that 10 Downing Street is reaching whole new peaks this morning. At the moment there's a new Sherpa along about every three days.

So true!

happydappy2 · 30/06/2023 18:39

Ridiculous as this is-perhaps because it is affecting a man, more people will be enraged....for too long women have been told to be kind, be inclusive, yadda yadda.

jardindecor · 30/06/2023 18:45

Are we surprised?

Hundreds of female soldiers who accused their colleagues of rape were 'misdiagnosed' with a personality disorder, it has been revealed.
The victims said that after they sought help for sexual assault from the military's departments of community mental health (DCMH), they were 'written off' with emotionally unstable personality disorder and medically discharged.

According to the The Telegraph, Paula Edwards, the chief executive of Salute Her UK - a charity for female military workers who have suffered rape and sexual assault - said women were being 'overdiagnosed and misdiagnosed' so the military could 'get rid of the problem'.