Disney went woke now they're going broke

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Woke Disney loses $900Million in recent box office flops https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12236445/Woke-Disney-loses-900Million-recent-box-office-flops-liberal-agenda-turns-movie-goers.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
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She will get a soul for selflessly helping others. That is a common Christian moral and not necessarily a bad one. And if you're inclined to say it's directed at women and therefore still anti-feminist, I'd say that the central example of self-sacrifice in Christianty is, well... Christ.

Or you could decide to understand that one person's comment reflects one person's view and not extrapolate wildly and wrongly from a single comment about the views of others

Oh My God, they can have George MacDonald over my cold dead body!

I find the idea of making them non-Hawaiian so odd? I guess it's not necessary to the story, but it seems to rather transplant it?

I don't personally mind about the casting of the Little Mermaid and it's quite a reasonable approach to that particular story. But I also understand why someone might feel that a film like that should reflect the place the story came from. And the fact is that is rigorously enforced in certain cases with non-white roles, so I can see why they feel there is something of a double standard.

Something like Lord of the Rings, on the other hand, was very deeply tied to a particular culture and its history and literature. It was meant to be a kind of myth specifically tied to European models and especially to England, and Tolkien had a deep history of the place which the stories reflect, they are connected to real elements of history and languages too. He spent a lot of time creating a world with a kind of coherence, ideologically and otherwise.

People who claim that it's just all made up and so sex, what people look like, etc, do not matter, clearly don't understand what the books were about, or for.If you want a differernt kind of story they should bloody well write it themselves, or choose one of the other thousands that have already been published.

I find the idea of making them non-Hawaiian so odd? I guess it's not necessary to the story, but it seems to rather transplant it?

The lead characters are all Hawaiians. But they are white or fair skinned Hawaiians who don't resemble the characters in the original animation, who were drawn to resemble the more ethnic native Hawaiians. So now the debate is about colorism.

Now I think they should have cast more ethnic looking Hawaiians...but since it's a supposed good thing to cast a black actress in an film based on a historically Danish Fairy Tale it allows for colour blind acting in all capacities and so people need to think carefully whether colour blindism in casting is ultimately a good thing. It can be used both ways. In my book it isn't, it dissolves culture. Make new stories featuring women, ethnic people, gay people etc. People will go to see good films.

Disney have so many issues, not least that they’re literally just pumping out everything and anything now and fans are getting tired of them acting like it’s all blockbuster material. A huge problem is that people can’t keep up anymore especially eg where they put a spin off on Disney, the film in the cinema but then the spin off includes details we needed for the movie and so people say ‘ I just don’t bother anymore’ So it’s nothing to do with being representative and realistic, which they needed to be- I for one was fed up of how white everything was- it’s just they’ve lost sight of a plan

I didn't like the little mermaid remake cause it was shite, not because Ariel was black. I don't really like any of the remakes, much preferring the animation.

I dislike diversity for diversity's sake though. If it doesn't feel natural, then I don't like it, otherwise I don't care.

Disney has ramped up production of movies and TV shows for its streaming platform. My theory is that they've gone too far, they are re-hashing old classics and stories with few new ideas, and the quality has inevitably reduced.

I don't bother going to see a Disney flick at the cinema anymore, I just wait for is to come out on Disney+.

There is still some quality there...I loved West Side Story and Dopesick brought out all the correct emotions. I liked A Small Light too. But the Star Wars franchise has had it and sadly Marvel is going the same way (though Secret Invasion Isn't That Bad).

I just go by what the grandchildren like. I'm not Disney target market. If they watch it over and over, enjoy the film, sing the songs ask for and play with the merchandise then it's a success.

Woke is normally a term used by those who don't want to think about whether their own attitude is actually 'ok' or not.

I think it's actually often calling people out for moral hypocrisy. Those people that think they are "awake" to injustice, and make a show of it, but are really just self deluded.

And those people that are quick to accuse others of bigotry etc. but are narrow minded bigots themselves.

There’s a customer demographic at play too. What are Nike’s core market? Young people, many of them black. What are Budweiser’s core market? Older blue collar and rural men.

Which demographic is more likely to have white supremacist leanings?

The white supremacist/neo-nazi movement in the US is HUGE. The leader of the KKK was an elected politician until 1992 and white supremacist organisations are still extraordinarily influential, and feared, outside of the urban bubble.

I don't know about woke, but I am just BORED of the same old stuff over and over again.

New content people! I have already read and seen the Little Mermaid. I don't need another Superhero movie. We are all done with Jurassic Park and Indiana Jones, they were great and they are done.

The Dungeons and Dragons movie was the first movie I have enjoyed for ages (and not just because I am a gamer). It was something different, finally.

I thought the two female actresses were Hawaiian?

I think Disney might be trying to apply it's previous strategies to kill competition to the current market and it's not very effective.

So when Don Bluth was giving it a run for its money, Disney used to release classics from its vault to try and funnel audiences back to Disney. They weren't bringing out good quality with enough regularity but using the vault stopped their competitors getting too successful.

But they can't use the vault now. Streaming and DVDs have made that obsolete. But releasing live actions of classics works a bit like the vault in that you'll get an audience in and away from other movies.
The difference though is the live actions aren't actually that good generally. So you might see one or two, but most people will realise they don't offer anything that the originals don't and will not bother.

If the little mermaid is doing badly part of that could be that fatigue. Peter Pan most recently was absolutely dire.

anyone ever thought it might be more to do with the fact the movies are just bad

Yeah that's kinda what I meant. But previously they were able to ride it out on the classics until the Disney renaissance happened and the studio started making real art with good plots again.

The remakes. The virtue signalling. The click bait decisions. It's all designed to keep the interest going. But unless they start producing good content they wont manage a second wind.

I've always hated Disney. In my view Disney is responsible for the reinforcement of so many heavily gendered presentations; as well as a lot of expensive plastic toys.

People get obsessed with Disney. I don't get it.

The Nike associations are not good either. Don't people attending 'Black Lives Matter' rallies wearing Nike sportswear know they have a history of using bonded and even foced labour?

That doesn't mean racism is OK, though, does it?

I think woke is actually a very useful to short-hand to describe those american university campus originated theories; namely Queer theory, Criticial Race Theory and Intersectionalist identity politics, all of which have now subsumed the Britisjh Left too.

What it points to is shallow and unexamined hypocrisy.

This makes sense. I heard they sat on the distribution rights to Studio Ghibli films for years prior to Spirited Away to prevent them being released in cinemas.

This ...

Woke means kind , accepting and generous. I'm quite happy to be "woke" then

It's tricky.

One thing that I think gets underestimated by the general public is how picky they are about finding actors for productions. Any group with a fairly small population is going to have fewer actors available to play lead roles. You see it with First Nations actors, there are a limited number of people who can carry a big production, and when it comes down to extras, often they have to cast a lot of non-native people because there just aren't enough available, even just to stand around or whatever. Polynesian actors are also a fairly small group of people.

I remember reading about the casting of the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency show. They had initially wanted to cast an African actress, and held a lot of auditions and casting calls across Africa. In the end they felt they hadn't found the right person and cast an American woman, I believe.

In one sense that seemed crazy to me, there are obviously loads more black people in Africa, which is a huge continent, than in the US. But I also think there are a lot of things like theater training and experience, facility with English, and other things that come into it.

And then child actors are really difficult - most children are terrible actors, way too hammy.

So maybe it came down to trying to find a child actor who could carry a major film, and the one they found just was lighter skinned?