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MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 26/06/2023 23:16

Flickersy · 26/06/2023 23:07

Teachers are leaving in droves due to low pay and poor working conditions.

This kind of thing doesn't even register.

So nothing to do with getting told they could be struck off for a 'hate' crime for not going along with the cat persona or 'literal violence' of hurty feels?

Lightningstrikess · 26/06/2023 23:16

user1745 · 26/06/2023 23:11

I'm a bit torn here. Obviously individual children should never be ridiculed especially when they may be in distress. To "validate" these identities would actually be a form of ridicule because clearly no adult in their right mind actually believes a child is a cat, so they're just playing along to make the child feel good in the moment which is incredibly cruel. One day the child will grow out of it and feel utterly mortified that adults went along with their fantasy and allowed them to make a fool of themselves.

But perhaps a certain of ridicule directed towards the ridiculous can be a healthy thing, and maybe society wouldn't be in the place it is if we weren't so afraid to point out the ridiculous, and maybe very distressed children wouldn't be identifying as animals if there were a healthy amount of ridicule surrounding the idea that a human can be an animal instead of this "anything goes" attitude.

And compare the same logic to a girl identifying as a boy or vice versa they same treatment should apply as noone actually believes that girl is a boy.

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ArcaneWireless · 26/06/2023 23:17

user1745 · 26/06/2023 23:11

I'm a bit torn here. Obviously individual children should never be ridiculed especially when they may be in distress. To "validate" these identities would actually be a form of ridicule because clearly no adult in their right mind actually believes a child is a cat, so they're just playing along to make the child feel good in the moment which is incredibly cruel. One day the child will grow out of it and feel utterly mortified that adults went along with their fantasy and allowed them to make a fool of themselves.

But perhaps a certain of ridicule directed towards the ridiculous can be a healthy thing, and maybe society wouldn't be in the place it is if we weren't so afraid to point out the ridiculous, and maybe very distressed children wouldn't be identifying as animals if there were a healthy amount of ridicule surrounding the idea that a human can be an animal instead of this "anything goes" attitude.

👏🏼

FedgeHund · 26/06/2023 23:23

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1673351272097804288
I guess being intimidated by this community must be tough if you are teaching at Rye Collage, must easier to shout at girls that deal with gangs of Dudes like this.

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1673351272097804288

Flickersy · 26/06/2023 23:24

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 26/06/2023 23:16

So nothing to do with getting told they could be struck off for a 'hate' crime for not going along with the cat persona or 'literal violence' of hurty feels?

If you can find any surveys that include that I'll happily take a look. But research into the teaching crisis at the moment lists low pay, excessive administrative requirements, stressful working conditions due to large classes and excess hours required, high workload etc as the reasons why teachers are leaving. I haven't seen any studies citing "child identifies as cat or similar" as the reason.

Lightningstrikess · 26/06/2023 23:25

@hedgefund words fail me.

Be kind needs to be replaced by be realistic.
Enough is enough.

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WheresTheLambSauce · 26/06/2023 23:27

Furries are generally an artistic and hobbyist group, like cosplayers - people who dress up as their favourite fictional characters, for fun. The majority of those in the furry community busy themselves with creating artwork or costumes. It's an exercise in creativity, not a ploy to convert the youth into demanding the school serve up their lunches in a dog bowl.

The Sun and the Daily Mail are doing what they do best - Whipping up sensational stories to feed on anxieties and fears.

This article is an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/girl-didnt-identified-as-a-cat-post-truth-politics-media-gender-identity

It doesn’t matter if a girl identified as a cat (she didn’t). The issue is how post-truth politics exploits it | Nesrine Malik

We pay a high price for the rows and divisions created by the right and its media allies to distract from their failings, says Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/girl-didnt-identified-as-a-cat-post-truth-politics-media-gender-identity

Lightningstrikess · 26/06/2023 23:27

Flickersy · 26/06/2023 23:24

If you can find any surveys that include that I'll happily take a look. But research into the teaching crisis at the moment lists low pay, excessive administrative requirements, stressful working conditions due to large classes and excess hours required, high workload etc as the reasons why teachers are leaving. I haven't seen any studies citing "child identifies as cat or similar" as the reason.

So the fact that teachers have to deal with the validation of pronouns, trans students, furry students & therian students has nothing to do with it?

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/06/2023 23:27

What this shows is how captured safeguarding professionals are. Jim Gamble (quoted in the article) used to run CEOP and as far as I'm aware was well respected. He should have an insight into dubious online communities and the dangers to children, so for him to seriously advise adults about managing this rather than identifying the mental health challenges that serious species identifying represents is yet again adults abdicating responsibility.

Flickersy · 26/06/2023 23:29

Lightningstrikess · 26/06/2023 23:27

So the fact that teachers have to deal with the validation of pronouns, trans students, furry students & therian students has nothing to do with it?

I refer you to the very same reply you quoted.

If you can find me any study which cites furries as a reason for teachers leaving the profession, I will gladly read it.

Given your previous response to requests for any form of hard evidence though I will not be holding my breath.

Lightningstrikess · 26/06/2023 23:31

@MrsOvertonsWindow absolutely, adults completely abdicating responsibility & two teenagers pointing out the reality.
I really hope their courage spurs on a whole era of teenage activists who won't take any of horseshit. The woke teachers will be more careful from now on.

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Justchooseone · 26/06/2023 23:37

I don’t think anyone’s going to ridicule a little child for playing a game of make believe. But the teenagers - do we not think most of them are just taking the piss and seeing what they can get away with? Trying to find the boundaries, as a PP said, and perhaps we should as a society be bloody well holding some?

PorcelinaV · 26/06/2023 23:43

The OP article doesn't seem to be about kids doing anything at school like wearing a costume, or about them literally identifying as animals.

So I'm going to say that they shouldn't be mocked by teachers.

Flickersy · 26/06/2023 23:53

PorcelinaV · 26/06/2023 23:43

The OP article doesn't seem to be about kids doing anything at school like wearing a costume, or about them literally identifying as animals.

So I'm going to say that they shouldn't be mocked by teachers.

OP clearly hasn't even read the article she posted:

^"Mr Gamble insists his organis­ation has seen no evidence of Furries in any school he deals with and believes the vast majority of cases are hoaxes....

...But he added: “By over-reacting and over-magnifying the issue we feed an unhealthy curiosity".^

FannyCann · 26/06/2023 23:56

IcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2023 21:43

Well that explains why Dreamies was supporting LGBTQIA+. I thought it was empty virtue signalling. Turns out they were trying to get a foot in the door of a new market. 🙄

😂😂😂

PorcelinaV · 27/06/2023 00:03

WheresTheLambSauce · 26/06/2023 23:27

Furries are generally an artistic and hobbyist group, like cosplayers - people who dress up as their favourite fictional characters, for fun. The majority of those in the furry community busy themselves with creating artwork or costumes. It's an exercise in creativity, not a ploy to convert the youth into demanding the school serve up their lunches in a dog bowl.

The Sun and the Daily Mail are doing what they do best - Whipping up sensational stories to feed on anxieties and fears.

This article is an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/girl-didnt-identified-as-a-cat-post-truth-politics-media-gender-identity

Typical Guardian nonsense imo.

Yes, journalists should have been more cautious as the recording only shows someone using the example of identifying as an animal.

But you have a real issue of teachers not merely being unethical, but probably acting illegally to promote gender ideology in schools. They are violating the principle of political neutrality and spreading an arguably harmful ideology to children.

So a culture war started by the left-wing, and they are even trying to indoctrinate children in schools.

When anyone responds they will use the line, "right-wingers are exploiting the issue as a distraction".

Yeah, no, it's a very real issue that deserves the attention and much tougher action against teachers.

WildImaginings · 27/06/2023 00:07

I was at a party last week and noticed a child (looked to be around 12 or 13) wearing a fluffy tail.

When I saw her at the buffet about 15 minutes later she had added a cat mask to the ensemble. To be clear, this was not fancy dress. She was wearing normal clothes but with a furry tail and a cat mask.

At the time I thought to myself, surely this can't be a furry thing as would this child's parents have allowed her to come to an 80th birthday party dressed like this if it was... then I saw the articles and threads a couple of days later on this very topic and realised that yeah, looks like it was a furry thing.

Lightningstrikess · 27/06/2023 00:11

@WildImaginings on another thread they said these are called therians.

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momtoboys · 27/06/2023 00:15

The world has lost its fucking mind.

LuluBlakey1 · 27/06/2023 00:20

I work in the North-East for a local authority as an advisor in behaviour/attendance/guidance and support headteachers. We checked with every school in our authority last week. There is not a single child identifying as an animal, other than the usual primary school kids running round the playground at break as dinosaurs/horses/barking/making car noises etc for 10 minutes.
DH works in a neighbouring authority as a secondary school head. His LA have done the same with the same outcome.

Not saying it is all made up (most of it will be in the Mail and the Sun) but if it is happening it is very rare.

JulieHoney · 27/06/2023 00:21

Furries are one of the many reasons I think Kink Shaming is actually a good thing.

Get your kicks by dressing as an overgrown stuffed toy? Fine. You do you. But don’t expect the rest of us to endorse, approve or play along. I don’t give a shite how consenting adults pleasure one another, it’s nobody’s business but theirs.

But co-opting others to validate their paraphilias? Hell no.

Sexual proclivities should be kept between consenting adults, not performed in front of the general public. Particularly not children.

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 00:35

LuluBlakey1 · 27/06/2023 00:20

I work in the North-East for a local authority as an advisor in behaviour/attendance/guidance and support headteachers. We checked with every school in our authority last week. There is not a single child identifying as an animal, other than the usual primary school kids running round the playground at break as dinosaurs/horses/barking/making car noises etc for 10 minutes.
DH works in a neighbouring authority as a secondary school head. His LA have done the same with the same outcome.

Not saying it is all made up (most of it will be in the Mail and the Sun) but if it is happening it is very rare.

This is tragic and hilarious, that Local authorities are ringing around asking.

It's like a cross between a comedy and horror drama.

FedgeHund · 27/06/2023 00:44

LA
Hello I am calling from the local authority, I need to speak to the diversity, equality and inclusion lead please.

DEI wokester
Hello

LA
Can you please let me know how many children identify as inanimate objects, furries, transage, transAbled, transrace and anything other than assigned at birth?

DEI wokester
Unfortunately we just have 25 transgender students

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LA
Hello I am calling from the local authority, I need to speak to the diversity, equality and inclusion lead please.

Receptionist
Hello, we don't have one.

LA
Can you please let me know how many children identify as inanimate objects, furries, transage, transAbled, transrace and anything other than assigned at birth?

Receptionist
What is a furrie?

LA
A stuffed animal live action role play.

We have two boys in year one that like to play T-rex in the playground during breaks.