Andrew Doyle & Peter Boghossian in conversation

[NancyDrawed]

I'm only half way through watching this, but I am thoroughly enjoying it so far. Dropping a link here in case others are interested.

Too many things I want to watch and read, not enough time to do it!

I started watching this morning, such an interesting conversation. I really enjoy both their work

Thanks for the link, I'll watch that later

Just started listening, interesting slip at 5:45 ish, saying 'person' when means 'man'!

I will watch that again, ifs long and interesting. Peter interrupts a lot but Andrew gets his points across and then Peter settles down to listen more than he spoke. I enjoyed that a lot

Great discussion thanks @NancyDrawed I am just over halfway through as it is long but interesting hearing shape their thoughts together.

That was great. Dipped into it over the afternoon - well worth listening t. Thanks NancyDrawed.

So pleased you started this thread NancyDrawed.

It is excellent. A really interesting conversation. I’m going to watch again, there are a couple of angles and comparisons I haven’t heard before.

Thanks for the link OP.

Andrew Doyle has completely fallen down the trans rabbit hole hasn't he?
He totally gets how awful gender identity ideology is. I wonder if he's spent any time on Mumsnet.

Andrew Doyle has completely fallen down the trans rabbit hole hasn't he?

People take various routes. "Trans" is the nexus of so many bad societal problems.

I guess Doyle came in via Titania McGrath's skewering of "Wokeness" and the nonsensical evidence-free groupthink of that movement.

Boghossian came in from the "destruction of academia" angle, somewhere in the same area.

Others like Glenn Greenwald are coming in on the "anti-authoritarian" angle, and have to address trans even if they don't really want to. Here he was yesterday on that:

None of them started from the "feminist" angle, but it's very hard not to see it once it's got your attention.

It seems like the rabbit hole is inescapable. It's central falsehood is a destructive vortex sucking everything into it, and anyone who cares about any sort of liberty, fairness, truth, safeguarding, health, science, history, democracy and who knows what else, has to eventually confront it.