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OldGardinia · 25/06/2023 14:18

Whyjustwhy123 · 25/06/2023 14:18

I can’t imagine there is anything nice about a furry in this heat. Can you imagine the inside of those outfits? 🤮🥵

You think they're wearing clothes under there?

Mawthatsbraw · 25/06/2023 14:29

This is so deeply deeply depressing amd disturbing .Can I ask those in the know , as an old person here( early 50s). Are the furries etc mainly male ?

ThereIbledit · 25/06/2023 14:32

I think there are certainly more men who are furries than women, yes.

OldGardinia · 25/06/2023 14:36

Mawthatsbraw · 25/06/2023 14:29

This is so deeply deeply depressing amd disturbing .Can I ask those in the know , as an old person here( early 50s). Are the furries etc mainly male ?

I don't have stats but I should say so. With some younger adolescent girls who think of it as identifying as a cat and playing a little because they haven't fully transitioned away from childhood play styles. Adult women who are into it I am going to stereotype as lured in by being the special female in demographic with very few females and going along with the male sexual fetishes. As a lot of the community takes place online though, a shortage of females isn't really a problem. There's always a guy ready to pretend to be a some female cat or fox experiencing oestrus.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 25/06/2023 14:51

Surely it's the flag that needs to be furry. So like a long pile carpet.
That way it's encompassed within the rest of the flag and also very clearly identified too.

Everyone throw away your flags and start again.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 14:57

Tukmgru · 25/06/2023 13:19

Short answer to your question; no. But it’s being used as a dogwhistle because flurries are weird. Basically, the steps of the incredibly puerile reasoning is:

’furries are adults who are playing make believe, so are paedophiles’

’trans is made up too, so paedophiles’

’trans is part of LGBT, so gays are paedophiles’

You’ll find though, that more likely than not, it’s the people pushing this disinformation that are the paedos. It’s called projection, and it’s very effective on the gullible.

Well Pink News seem to be very inclusive of furries in their community judging by the above article.

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Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 14:58

C1N1C · 25/06/2023 12:08

It's there already... ultraviolet star that you can only see under blacklight. It represents how they're in plain sight, but not.

So furries are included in the new flag? I thought as much..

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DysonSpheres · 25/06/2023 15:51

BlackForestCake · 25/06/2023 13:18

I would bet a substantial amount of money that the overwhelming majority of normal LGB people actually think furries are ridiculous and cringe.

Judging by the ratings chart that would appear not to be the truth.

But it seems from the article that there may be different reasons for people dressing up in animal costume.

I'm not sure I see much difference between motives for dressing up than say at the increasingly overhyped halloween, where one sees plenty of people dressing up as werewolves, and comic book characters etc.

TeenDivided · 25/06/2023 15:58

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 14:58

So furries are included in the new flag? I thought as much..

I think C1N1C was joking / being sarcastic....

BlackForestCake · 25/06/2023 15:59

Halloween is one night a year. If you insisted on dressing up as a pirate or a werewolf every weekend, people would think you were weird.

You cannot generalise a survey of Pink News readers onto what LGB people think. It is a deeply ideological, extremist publication that almost nobody reads.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 16:02

But there are people & kids out there identifying as cats, horses etc... It's absolutely no different from women identifying as men.
No matter how much a person mews, scratches, drinks milk from a saucer or sprawls out at the back of the couch they will never be a cat. Ever.

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OldGardinia · 25/06/2023 17:40

Well I see that my posts about what the furry community is actually like are being deleted by MN. I can only assume that the mod team here haven't actually got any first hand experience of the furry community like others of us. Or if they have then it's worse than I thought.

In any case, if these forums are now such that I can't call out genuine abusive behaviour, I'm done here. I think people are going to have to start building their own community sometime in the near future.

Pamalot · 25/06/2023 17:43

Sooooooo we start at furries then we move on to lamp posts, trees, fruit, colours basically anything and everything and tbh I am absolutely amazed schools are putting up with this sh@t show.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 17:56

@Pamalot sure there apparently is a child indentifying as the moon. So basically if a girl decides she is going to identify as a boy it really is the same thing as identifying as a cat or a swan.

It's demanding attention & expecting the world around them to turn a blind eye to their nonsense & play along in the tomfoolery.

Some of the twitter TRAs are going absolutely ballistic about the Daily Mails cat article!

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DysonSpheres · 25/06/2023 18:01

BlackForestCake · 25/06/2023 15:59

Halloween is one night a year. If you insisted on dressing up as a pirate or a werewolf every weekend, people would think you were weird.

You cannot generalise a survey of Pink News readers onto what LGB people think. It is a deeply ideological, extremist publication that almost nobody reads.

Fair points both and the second especially, apologies.

But I will say it's not too hard for me to imagine that people get a thrill from dressing up during festival days, and that some people might eventually find that mentally comforting or stimulating and want to extend it to something they do regularly.

I guess I'm saying: Is it a sexual fetish for everyone? Or a coping or escapist mechanism for most?

God knows things are depressing lately

Polarpaws · 25/06/2023 18:02

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 16:02

But there are people & kids out there identifying as cats, horses etc... It's absolutely no different from women identifying as men.
No matter how much a person mews, scratches, drinks milk from a saucer or sprawls out at the back of the couch they will never be a cat. Ever.

The difference with Furries though is that they don't identify as anything. They don't believe they are their animal. There have been people all over Twitter bringing furries into the trans debate without having the foggiest notion what furries really are.
My youngest is a furry and outside of t'internet in real life, I've never had any concerns about it. Many cities have regular fur meetings and the UK has an annual convention. You hear online bad things about them but in real life I honestly haven't found anything to concern me - it's no different than people getting together at Star Wars/ insert any other shared interest gathering.
And no, they are not represented on the Pride flag.

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Polarpaws · 25/06/2023 18:30

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 18:17

That article just proves what the Daily Mail know about furries. Nothing. School children may or may not be identifying as cats - but that has virtually nothing to do with Furries because furries generally do not believe they are their character, any more than I believe a man can be a woman.
The picture in the daily mail is indeed of two furries - but those are not children identifying as cats. I doubt very much there is a child underneath either of those - or if there is then it's a very privileged child with access to large sums of money. Fursuits are very expensive.

DysonSpheres · 25/06/2023 18:37

But it is Daily Mail. And as much as I respect all the articles they've been doing to raise awareness of encroaching threats to women's rights. I do realise they also enjoy sensational headlines.

I completely believe that some aspect of the furry experience might be more fetishist in nature.

But I'm trying to work out if it's majority a genuine sexual kink identity or just people choosing to wear animal costume to be anonymous, and socially comfortable, like an extension of using an avatar for social media browsing.

For example. I do not have any posts on Instagram or Facebook etc or my face or photos.

I only have an avatar to represent me. I absolutely hate the intrusion of strangers in my real life.

It strikes me as someone who struggled with social settings when younger, that putting on an animal costume could be a way to socialise without the awkwardness and really get to know people before revealing my true self.

Now if I felt further awkward due to anticipated stigma about my sexuality, I could see it as even more attractive.

It makes sense to a degree.

Polarpaws · 25/06/2023 18:37

Mawthatsbraw · 25/06/2023 14:29

This is so deeply deeply depressing amd disturbing .Can I ask those in the know , as an old person here( early 50s). Are the furries etc mainly male ?

An even older than you person here... :)

When my youngest took an interest in furries I was a bit concerned that they would be mostly males - and older males. I was quite relieved that the group who had meetings closest to us was run by a female furry and the organising team were mostly in their mid 20s as I recall.

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DeadbeatYoda · 25/06/2023 22:12

I think it's important to understand that there are two types of furry - the perfectly innocent cosplay lot and then the furries that are about sexually preference.. if you aren't aware of the two different sets of people, it's important to be careful what you are saying about furries n general

Polarpaws · 25/06/2023 23:49

Again - the Daily Mail talking about something that they know nothing about.

Polarpaws · 25/06/2023 23:57

@DysonSpheres
"It strikes me as someone who struggled with social settings when younger, that putting on an animal costume could be a way to socialise without the awkwardness and really get to know people before revealing my true self."

I get the impression that this is one of the appeals - it makes socialising easier. There are also a lot of seriously good artists in the Furry community - some of the character designs are amazing.

SwordToFlamethrower · 26/06/2023 00:20

Yirk · 25/06/2023 13:30

Off thread a bit...but do human biological females have a flag of our own?

We have the green and purple suffragette flag