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BBC commissions new series based on Paris Lees autobiography - 'What it's like to be a girl'..

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/06/2023 10:33

This is the BBC's latest offering aimed at educating us on the lives of trans people and their struggles. Paris moved to Brighton and transitioned into a middle class media reporter for Vogue but note how the promo blurb shows exactly what the producers think of working class people from the North- who 'shuffle around like the living dead' -how inclusive of them.

It's a new millennium - Madonna, Moloko and Basement Jaxx top the charts, and there's a whole world to explore. But teenager Byron is stuck in a small working-class town that hasn’t been the same since the coal mine shut in the 80s. Sick of mam, sick of dad, sick of being beaten up for "talkin' like a poof". Sick of everyone shuffling about like the living dead, going on about kitchens they're too skint to do up and marriages they're too scared to leave. Byron needs to get away, and doesn't care how.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

BBC announces What It Feels Like For A Girl, a new drama inspired by the acclaimed memoir by Paris Lees

Joyful, frank and packed with memorable characters, What It Feels Like For A Girl is a journey of love and danger, self-discovery and self-destruction. Because to find yourself sometimes you need to lose yourself...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

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heathspeedwell · 21/06/2023 10:36

FFS. What an insult to all the women who get put in prison because they can't afford to pay their license fee.

Florissante · 21/06/2023 10:41

Words fail.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 21/06/2023 10:46

Oh FUCK OFF, beeb.

I am so glad I cancelled my TV licence last year.

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/06/2023 10:50

I haven't checked today, but last night the Beeb were getting hammered on Twitter over this

piedbeauty · 21/06/2023 10:57

And Paris Lees is the best example of a trans women they can come up with?? The Paris Lees who beat up an old man and did time in prison for this and robbery? Really?

Surely there is only a very niche audience for this one.

OhHolyJesus · 21/06/2023 10:59

The BBC is just trolling women. What a nightmare it must be to work there.

WinterTrees · 21/06/2023 11:01

I saw this news last night and was tempted to start a thread but didn't want to get angry by dwelling on it before heading off to bed. (You don't dice with your chances of getting to sleep in peri-menopause...)

I noticed that it's not due to start filming until 2024 so probably won't be released until 2025. Big gamble on the part of the BBC, I'd say. Two years is a long time in gender politics, and as the school girls have shown this week, the rainbow glitter is definitely starting to lose its sparkle.

QuickWash · 21/06/2023 11:09

A couple of years ago I decided I needed to make sure I was reading books "from the other side" and I requested this one from the library.

It was completely unreadable for me. I didn't finish it.

I read a few books a week, I'm not in any way lacking in reading or comprehension skills but the use of local dialect etc made this a very difficult nut to crack (I say this as someone who lived in Notts not far from Hucknall for many years)

While I was reading it I heard Paris interviewed on Fortunately and their complete condescension towards anyone who was GC meant I just gave up.

I won't be watching this.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 11:10

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frootie · 21/06/2023 11:10

Wow that's horrific. What is actually wrong with the BBC.

JellySaurus · 21/06/2023 11:12

What would an adult human male know about what it's like for a girl?

Unless, of course, said AHM has ever actually listened to a girl, listened with an open mind, listened and understood, listened and accepted that the experiences of an AHM are entirely different to those of a girl.

Paris Lees takes the biscuit. So does the BBC, for that matter!

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 11:13

Helen Joyce nails this perfectly:

'Next up: Rachel Dolezal on What It Feels Like For A Black Person'

https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1671148937775030273?cxt=HHwWgoDRrdrGjrEuAAAA

https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1671148937775030273?cxt=HHwWgoDRrdrGjrEuAAAA

piedbeauty · 21/06/2023 11:18

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BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 21/06/2023 11:34

this is the guy who said in an interview he loves getting cat-called. But yeah go off it's not a fetish.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 11:35

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NotTerfNorCis · 21/06/2023 11:51

I'm in Hucknall a lot. It's not that grim! And it's within walking distance of countryside and lovely villages.

Slothtoes · 21/06/2023 11:52

The Madonna song of this era, (from which Lees presumably lifted the book title and the series title), was really eye opening in showing a younger me how fucked up gender stereotypes are, and the misogyny that they are rooted in.
Madonna sang:

‘Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short
Wear shirts and boots 'cause it's okay to be a boy
But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading
'Cause you think that being a girl is degrading

She was singing ‘do you know what it feels like for a girl in this world’ about the harms of sexism and gender stereotypes.

Datun · 21/06/2023 11:52

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 12:01

I don't know the answers to those questions, Datun.

Agree though that if the BBC go ahead this will all attract more sunlight to issues that illustrate very well why women don't want males in their spaces.

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NotTerfNorCis · 21/06/2023 12:45

Of course Paris doesn't know what it's like to be a girl. As Byron, Paris was very active on the gay scene - with other males. I think Paris also did sex work (using the PC term)as part of that scene. Paris can only ever speak from that range of experience.

Incidentally I was out clubbing in Nottingham in the same years as Paris. 'As a girl' I had quite a different experience and probably had to be a lot more careful.

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Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2023 12:54

https://unherd.com/thepost/paris-lees-doesnt-know-what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl/

But what the BBC describes as “a rollercoaster ride of hedonism at the heart of the UK’s early 2000s club scene” ended in Lees robbing a “client”, stealing his bank card and emptying his bank account. At the age of 18, he served eight months of a two-year sentence in a young offenders’ institution.

Article link above about PL

Paris Lees doesn't know what it feels like for a girl

Paris Lees has no idea what it feels like to be a girl. Of course not: Lees’s experience as a teenage boy, selling sex to predatory older men, tells us nothing about how girls feel about anything. Now the BBC has issued a gushing press release about it...

https://unherd.com/thepost/paris-lees-doesnt-know-what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl