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BBC commissions new series based on Paris Lees autobiography - 'What it's like to be a girl'..

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/06/2023 10:33

This is the BBC's latest offering aimed at educating us on the lives of trans people and their struggles. Paris moved to Brighton and transitioned into a middle class media reporter for Vogue but note how the promo blurb shows exactly what the producers think of working class people from the North- who 'shuffle around like the living dead' -how inclusive of them.

It's a new millennium - Madonna, Moloko and Basement Jaxx top the charts, and there's a whole world to explore. But teenager Byron is stuck in a small working-class town that hasn’t been the same since the coal mine shut in the 80s. Sick of mam, sick of dad, sick of being beaten up for "talkin' like a poof". Sick of everyone shuffling about like the living dead, going on about kitchens they're too skint to do up and marriages they're too scared to leave. Byron needs to get away, and doesn't care how.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

BBC announces What It Feels Like For A Girl, a new drama inspired by the acclaimed memoir by Paris Lees

Joyful, frank and packed with memorable characters, What It Feels Like For A Girl is a journey of love and danger, self-discovery and self-destruction. Because to find yourself sometimes you need to lose yourself...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

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Datun · 23/06/2023 07:59

Paris Lees was never a girl.

Always a girl, don't forget. Trans kids know as young as two.

So, effeminate boy growing up in a homophobic environment ... decides he must be really female? Doesn’t that rather prove the GC point?

Yes, it does.

As the Tavi whistleblower said, soon there'll be no gay kids left.

Wimpod · 23/06/2023 08:01

For fucks fucking sake.

😒

There still must be a hell of a lot of people at the BBC hell bent on convincing us this is all fine.

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 08:03

The BBC are pretty much captured at this point

I rely on their radio but struggling to view them well

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 08:07

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 08:03

The BBC are pretty much captured at this point

I rely on their radio but struggling to view them well

Yes, I’m still coughing up for radio 3 (4 is down the tubes). Slight derail but I switched over from today to stig and asma on times radio yesterday and I was really struck by how much more lively and challenging the discussions and interviews were. The only today presenter left who has any vim is Justin Webb.

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 08:12

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 08:07

Yes, I’m still coughing up for radio 3 (4 is down the tubes). Slight derail but I switched over from today to stig and asma on times radio yesterday and I was really struck by how much more lively and challenging the discussions and interviews were. The only today presenter left who has any vim is Justin Webb.

Same here I listen to Times radio over R4 a lot of the time. They also don’t interrupt as much

I still like some scientific programmes on R4 but R6 I’d find very hard to go without

Slothtoes · 23/06/2023 08:19

There is still good work being done at the BBC. Sanchia berg reports on the family courts, Hannah Barnes. But my god there’s a lot of dross.

This- and Deborah Cohen the journalist who worked with Hannah Barnes at Newsnight.
The commercial alternatives really seriously aren’t better- do people think Netflix or Sky aren’t captured? At least the BBC has pockets of resistance and it is answerable to Parliament.

I think the class bias in BBC drama commissioning is clear though- Lees’ caricatures of whole working class communities as so different to special him sound completely obnoxious. It’s like the blanket ‘cis’ term- viewing other people as not full human beings with minds. Incredibly narcissistic to assume that you know what other people around you are doing and how they are thinking all the time and to lump them all in as one horrible mass. A major red flag.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 08:19

The only reason to listen to radio 4 now if you are, like me, middle aged and middle class, is if you like regular reminders of what an awful person you are and how dreadful your country is. I already know all that, because contrary to the claims of fashionable commentators today, I was taught about the empire and slavery.
I was also taught biology, rather well as it happens. So the beeb can shove the lees programme up its fat arse.

Villagetoraiseachild · 23/06/2023 08:20

Ok, thanks for clarifying @Clymene .
@AgathaSpencerGregson , I believe no license required for radio....no need to cough up! But yes, 3 is a bastion and relief from 4....

DialSquare · 23/06/2023 08:36

Datun · 23/06/2023 07:45

I'm wondering if Lees will play themself.

The ultimate euphoria

OhWhatMerryHellIsThis · 23/06/2023 08:44

Jaysus, this thread is like a sieve.

Someone is cross

Redebs · 23/06/2023 08:48

'What it's like to be a violent man who dresses like a girl'

There. Fixed it.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/06/2023 09:04

Sincere apologies if the story I posted was incorrect. It was posted in good faith, but I agree that there's not enough evidence to say one way or another if the claim was accurate.

OldCrone · 23/06/2023 09:09

Always a girl, don't forget. Trans kids know as young as two.

Younger than that. They know even before they're born. Remember this thread?
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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4652020-news-article-boston-childrens-hospital-claim-babies-know-they-are-trans-in-the-womb

For more "proof" that babies know they're trans before they can talk, google Diane Ehrensaft for a video of her talking about a baby boy unsnapping his onesie to send a "gender message" that he's a girl.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 09:24

Villagetoraiseachild · 23/06/2023 08:20

Ok, thanks for clarifying @Clymene .
@AgathaSpencerGregson , I believe no license required for radio....no need to cough up! But yes, 3 is a bastion and relief from 4....

There’s also Canal Boat Diaries and Still Game though. I’m still clinging on via IPlayer! Not for much longer tho I suspect

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 09:26

And of course Monty Don on Friday evenings.

ginghamstarfish · 23/06/2023 09:27

So a male former criminal and prostitute then? So glad I stopped paying licence fee some years ago, the BBC is beyond a joke.

Clymene · 23/06/2023 09:30

I suspect there's been some internet cleansing which makes the facts of the crime hard to find.

Here are some of Paris' own words about 'being a girl':

www.vice.com/en/article/vdqm89/everything-ive-learned-about-sex-paris-lees - this one tells us how hot it it to have sex when you're crying

Or this one which is about how all the women who object to prostitution are white? www.vice.com/en/article/nn97vk/ban-sex-work-fuck-off-white-feminism-paris-lees-807

This one about Fallon Fox{s right to nearly kill women: www.vice.com/en/article/3b7j3j/fallon-fox-is-a-woman-get-over-it-925

Or this one about how much fun it is to be fucked by four men at once: www.vice.com/en/article/bn5vwq/being-a-slag-is-a-virtue-not-a-vice-paris-lees

Or finally this one, which is all about being a boy: www.vice.com/en/article/wd4pjn/paris-lees-what-are-we-going-to-do-about-the-lost-boys-325

Lees entire back catalogue in Vice is dripping with hatred and disdain for women who care about other women's exploitation by men. And loads about how much fun it is to be objectified. So far, so predictable.

If you want to see who Lees really is, watch the Island reality show Lees lasted a couple of days before asking to go home, mainly crying and sulking and doing fuck all, pissing off everyone. Just another tedious self obsessed narc.

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 09:32

Redebs · 23/06/2023 08:48

'What it's like to be a violent man who dresses like a girl'

There. Fixed it.

I don’t know about the history but if so then yes this is more apt

And takes the shine off

Darkmodus · 23/06/2023 09:34

Redebs · 23/06/2023 08:48

'What it's like to be a violent man who dresses like a girl'

There. Fixed it.

this.

i used think the bbc were wonderful -now not so much.

Rewarding violence…

Darkmodus · 23/06/2023 09:35

I won’t open this because I don’t want to be traumatised, but fgs bbc- WAKE UP!!!

Or this one about how much fun it is to be fucked by four men at once: www.vice.com/en/article/bn5vwq/being-a-slag-is-a-virtue-not-a-vice-paris-lees

Why I'm So Proud to Be a 'Promiscuous' Slut

Life is like a cock. You have to grab it with both hands.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bn5vwq/being-a-slag-is-a-virtue-not-a-vice-paris-lees

nettie434 · 23/06/2023 09:44

The BBC aren't responsible for the series title, which is the same as Paris Lees' autobiography. Paris Lees will be involved in the production and has presumably sanctioned the blurb, which is certainly not kind. I suspect it will be an expensive mistake but I don't feel outraged that some of the licence fee is going on a dramatisation of what was a fairly successful autobiography in commercial terms.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 09:48

nettie434 · 23/06/2023 09:44

The BBC aren't responsible for the series title, which is the same as Paris Lees' autobiography. Paris Lees will be involved in the production and has presumably sanctioned the blurb, which is certainly not kind. I suspect it will be an expensive mistake but I don't feel outraged that some of the licence fee is going on a dramatisation of what was a fairly successful autobiography in commercial terms.

The BBC is a public service broadcaster, not a commercial one, and it has duties of impartiality in relation to contentious issues. So I’m afraid I do think it’s inappropriate- especially at a time when it is refusing to fund things which are much more clearly within the public service remit, such as the BBC singers.

hamstersarse · 23/06/2023 10:21

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 08:03

The BBC are pretty much captured at this point

I rely on their radio but struggling to view them well

It really is a shame. We need a reliable broadcaster, and just don't have it.

Groupthink is such a dangerous thing

Clymene · 23/06/2023 10:35

Joan Smith is good on this: unherd.com/thepost/paris-lees-doesnt-know-what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl/