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BBC commissions new series based on Paris Lees autobiography - 'What it's like to be a girl'..

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/06/2023 10:33

This is the BBC's latest offering aimed at educating us on the lives of trans people and their struggles. Paris moved to Brighton and transitioned into a middle class media reporter for Vogue but note how the promo blurb shows exactly what the producers think of working class people from the North- who 'shuffle around like the living dead' -how inclusive of them.

It's a new millennium - Madonna, Moloko and Basement Jaxx top the charts, and there's a whole world to explore. But teenager Byron is stuck in a small working-class town that hasn’t been the same since the coal mine shut in the 80s. Sick of mam, sick of dad, sick of being beaten up for "talkin' like a poof". Sick of everyone shuffling about like the living dead, going on about kitchens they're too skint to do up and marriages they're too scared to leave. Byron needs to get away, and doesn't care how.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

BBC announces What It Feels Like For A Girl, a new drama inspired by the acclaimed memoir by Paris Lees

Joyful, frank and packed with memorable characters, What It Feels Like For A Girl is a journey of love and danger, self-discovery and self-destruction. Because to find yourself sometimes you need to lose yourself...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

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yetanotherusernameAgain · 21/06/2023 12:55

@NotTerfNorCis "I think Paris also did sex work (using the PC term)as part of that scene."

No need to be PC - "rent boy" is the term Paris used to describe themself in the 2021 Guardian article.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 13:00

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NotTerfNorCis · 21/06/2023 13:20

yetanotherusernameAgain · 21/06/2023 12:55

@NotTerfNorCis "I think Paris also did sex work (using the PC term)as part of that scene."

No need to be PC - "rent boy" is the term Paris used to describe themself in the 2021 Guardian article.

I got a post deleted on the Guardian for mentioning that once. 🤔

RavingStone · 21/06/2023 13:45

Paris Lees is clearly a misogynist (you only have to read their own words), has some internalised homophobia and is violent. They are now speaking on behalf of the class of human they despise. So I'd say they are appropriative too.

But, they have tits, hair and an attractive enough face. Helpful for scoring TV work and endorsement from other misogynist males who fail to look beyond the very surface.

ArabeIIaScott · 21/06/2023 14:33

And of course will never have their career hindered by any of those tediously biological issues women face.

WhyDontYouGoVegan · 21/06/2023 18:35

Remember when he plugged his own book while interviewing Emma Watson, who was forced to enthuse appropriately? Though knowing her, maybe it was real, but damn was it awkward as hell.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 09:36

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Clymene · 22/06/2023 09:45

I don't think that's the incident either.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/06/2023 09:47

Paris has described the robbery in Paris' own words in The Guardian years ago :

“I fell for rent boys who made cash by pimping out younger lads like me. One that I was sweet on suggested we rob a client and, to my shame, I agreed. The police got us, but my friend refused to attend court and my life began to disintegrate – the judge was hell-bent on sentencing us together. The case dragged and I dropped any intention of transition – and out of college. I was sentenced to two years.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/15/transgender-coming-of-age-paris-lees

QuickWash · 22/06/2023 09:47

@ArabeIIaScott do you want to report your post

dimorphism · 22/06/2023 09:50

Bloody BBC. Let's not forget they enabled Savile for years, don't ever expect anything but misogyny.

Anyway, at least this thread reminded me I needed to repeat my declaration I don't need a TV license. They'll never get a penny of my money ever again. Next step, move the parents onto on demand only.

ImaniMumsnet · 22/06/2023 16:23

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Datun · 22/06/2023 17:32

The problem with writing a book and getting a TV programme done, is that people will do their own research.

That's why I, for one, am perfectly happy for these programs to be made.

And I don't think Mumsnet moderators, despite being all powerful and obvs omniscient, will quite have the reach to delete social media entirely.

Villagetoraiseachild · 22/06/2023 17:53

Deletion Central here we go again, by posters whose opinions I have come to respect over a period of time as being well informed and worth taking the time to read.
I wont be watching this proposed programme
I'm so over the bbc falling all over themselves to kiss the pinky, bluey, whitey ring.

Clymene · 22/06/2023 18:20

To be fair, the deleted posts linked Lees to a murder they had nothing to do with. I saw that rumour floating around on Twitter the other day.

WaterThyme · 23/06/2023 07:39

Anyone know who will be playing the part of Paris Lees?

It would be outrageous from a feminist point of view for him to be played by a woman.

From the point of view of the trans community not having a transwoman take the part would be wrong.

Can we hope for Eddie Izzard?

Datun · 23/06/2023 07:45

I'm wondering if Lees will play themself.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/06/2023 07:45

The BBC reading the room as always

still the sunlight will be strong!

hamstersarse · 23/06/2023 07:48

Always heartening to come on a thread and see so many deletions. Mumsnet displaying their commitment to freedom of speech ✌🏼

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 07:52

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/06/2023 10:33

This is the BBC's latest offering aimed at educating us on the lives of trans people and their struggles. Paris moved to Brighton and transitioned into a middle class media reporter for Vogue but note how the promo blurb shows exactly what the producers think of working class people from the North- who 'shuffle around like the living dead' -how inclusive of them.

It's a new millennium - Madonna, Moloko and Basement Jaxx top the charts, and there's a whole world to explore. But teenager Byron is stuck in a small working-class town that hasn’t been the same since the coal mine shut in the 80s. Sick of mam, sick of dad, sick of being beaten up for "talkin' like a poof". Sick of everyone shuffling about like the living dead, going on about kitchens they're too skint to do up and marriages they're too scared to leave. Byron needs to get away, and doesn't care how.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/what-it-feels-like-for-a-girl-bbc

So, effeminate boy growing up in a homophobic environment (and how the beeb moves an opportunity to portray working class northerners as knuckle dragging mouth breathers) decides he must be really female? Doesn’t that rather prove the GC point? What am I missing?

EdithStourton · 23/06/2023 07:55

How the hell can the BBC put out shit like this with a straight face?

Paris Lees was never a girl.

It makes me so sad that our supposedly neutral national broadcaster has sunk to this. They're en route to becoming a total disgrace.

SunnyEgg · 23/06/2023 07:57

OhHolyJesus · 21/06/2023 10:59

The BBC is just trolling women. What a nightmare it must be to work there.

Well the title of the show is wrong

Agree on the trolling, and the BBC is probably not diverse at all when it comes to thinking

AgathaSpencerGregson · 23/06/2023 07:58

EdithStourton · 23/06/2023 07:55

How the hell can the BBC put out shit like this with a straight face?

Paris Lees was never a girl.

It makes me so sad that our supposedly neutral national broadcaster has sunk to this. They're en route to becoming a total disgrace.

There is still good work being done at the BBC. Sanchia berg reports on the family courts, Hannah Barnes. But my god there’s a lot of dross.

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