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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Hopkins University of Misogyny

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Jkrowlingsarmy · 12/06/2023 13:47

I’ve no words tbh. Utterly disgusted by the misogyny.

John Hopkins University of Misogyny
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yetanotherusernameAgain · 12/06/2023 15:17

Bisexual is still allowed to exist, albeit in a mangled form, despite 'pansexual' being an alternative definition. Presumably it would be a step too far to erase one of the letters from LGBT.

Bisexual [sexual orientation]: A person who is sexually attracted to multiple genders, or who identifies as a member of the bisexual community. Often, but not limited to, being attracted to the same gender and other genders. May be shortened to “bi.”

MistyGreenAndBlue · 12/06/2023 15:26

In plain sight! In plain fucking sight!

Goddess I'm raging!

Handmaidens take note. They mean you too.

Non-men my arse!

FUCK OFF!

yetanotherusernameAgain · 12/06/2023 15:27

There's a Fox News story from mid-May that references the Johns Hopkins definition:

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/lesbian-fights-claims-lesbians-non-men-attracted-non-men

Stonewall (UK) still uses the word 'woman' in their definition, so maybe it has originated in North America if it hasn't made it over to the UK yet.
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/list-lgbtq-terms

RubyTrees · 12/06/2023 15:27

yetanotherusernameAgain · 12/06/2023 15:13

Their definition of Lesbian isn't even logical as it can include non-binary people who identify as lesbian, but who weren't necessarily female at birth. So a male who identifies as non-binary and is attracted to 'non-men' can therefore identify as 'lesbian'.

@RubyTrees - They don't have definitions for trans man/woman. Presumably they don't exist any more either? It's just 'transgender'.

It's part of the FTM and MTF definition.

RealityFan · 12/06/2023 15:29

JayAlfredPrufrock · 12/06/2023 15:17

We knew it would come to this.

Men and non-men.

Still fucking Spartacus.

Worse to come...
...men and non-men becomes...just men.

EdithStourton · 12/06/2023 15:37

OH FUCK OFF JOHNS HOPKINS!

Call yourselves a university? With a medical school iirc? I was so incredulous and went and looking for the page myself in the hope that it was a photoshop job, but nope, you are that bloody stupid.

I thought 'cis woman' was more than bad enough, but NON-MAN?
When men are still, um, men?

What a bunch of arrogant, sexist, blinkered fools.

RealityFan · 12/06/2023 15:47

Of course, men are never non-women.

Nope, a male homosexual partnership will never be described as "a liaison between two non-women, blah blah".

Plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose.

georgarina · 12/06/2023 15:51

RoseslnTheHospital · 12/06/2023 14:30

Sex categories are socially constructed are they? Despite the fact that animals without any capacity to socially construct them manage to reproduce.... ffs.

I really thought in that late 90s early 2000s that we'd made progress with the idea that men and women are not defined by or limited to social expectations based on an individual's sex. But nope, we're dragged back into this idea that how you behave or feel determines your identity and now your actual sex as well. Garbled anti-science tosh, the whole "glossary".

Even

georgarina · 12/06/2023 15:52

georgarina · 12/06/2023 15:51

Even

That should say -

Even 5-10 years ago we had Always 'Like a Girl,' defying sexist stereotypes about doing (x) 'like a girl', and Volvo's campaign to reduce female car crash tests by using dummies that weren't just based off scaled-down men.

Now Nike is sponsoring a man playing up stereotypes of female athletes for laughs, and brands insisting female athletes are just scaled-down, hormonally altered men.

It's insane.

CorruptedCauldron · 12/06/2023 16:42

No non-man no cry, no non-man no cry!

I can’t believe they’ve found an even more insulting term than cis - and they’re so brazen in making men the default humans that now women don’t even exist, they’re just lumped into the non-man category along with cats, dogs, fridges, radiators, pencils, cars and anything else that isn’t a man.

Well it’s high time for this madness to stop. Never mind Let Women Speak. Now it’s time to Let Non-Men Peak. This idiocy could drive more and more people to the summit, and not before time!

Piccalillipromises · 12/06/2023 16:50

So... According to John Hopkins university, if I, as a non-man, use a vibrator, which is also a non-man, I'm a lesbian? They might need to go back to the drawing board on that one.

Ofcourseshecan · 12/06/2023 20:14

Interesting that they are so perfectly blatant. Man and non-man. Not the slightest pretence of belief in equality. We are what’s left when the real people are subtracted.

Presumably we are entitled to what’s left when the real people have taken what they want.

PonyPatter44 · 12/06/2023 20:30

Johns Hopkins used to be a spearhead centre for the treatment of transsexuals. Apparently now they're specialists in corporate lobotomies.

piedbeauty · 12/06/2023 20:35

What twats.

FrancescaContini · 12/06/2023 20:57

Non-man 🤬 Another one off the list.

SunnyEgg · 12/06/2023 20:58

JayAlfredPrufrock · 12/06/2023 15:17

We knew it would come to this.

Men and non-men.

Still fucking Spartacus.

Yes it’s what we’ve been railing against

Anyone with a brain knee where it was headed

SunnyEgg · 12/06/2023 20:58

Knew

EdithStourton · 12/06/2023 22:34

Just in case anyone hasn't noticed, this has all kicked off big time on AIBU.

By the look of it, many women are reaching the mountain tops this evening.

Jkrowlingsarmy · 12/06/2023 23:43

EdithStourton · 12/06/2023 22:34

Just in case anyone hasn't noticed, this has all kicked off big time on AIBU.

By the look of it, many women are reaching the mountain tops this evening.

All over it 👍

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CyclingSam · 13/06/2023 02:35

How this was reported in Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/johns-hopkins-accused-trying-erase-women-its-lesbian-term-1806134

A small subset of conservative online has expressed outrage at Johns Hopkins University over its non-binary-inclusive definition of "lesbian" in its glossary of LGBTQ+ terms...

On Monday, the glossary's current definition of "lesbian" came under attack from right-wing users on social media...

The flare-up comes amid a broader backlash among conservatives to LGBTQ+ rights and the embrace of queer communities by society. Numerous state legislatures across the U.S. have begun passing laws that target transgender communities, taking particular aim at the ability of parents to get gender-affirming care for their trans children. Spurred by a small number of far-right influencers, there has also been a vocal, if not definitively widespread, lashing out against companies and brands that market to LGBTQ+ communities or hold Pride Month events...

The definition provided by Johns Hopkins is notably distinct from those provided in similar LGBTQ+ glossaries maintained by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), casting doubt on the alleged conspiracy to "erase" women.

Johns Hopkins University

Johns Hopkins accused of trying to "erase" women with its lesbian term

The university's LGBTQ+ terminology glossary has been updated with a non-binary-inclusive definition, prompting anger among a subset of conservatives.

https://www.newsweek.com/johns-hopkins-accused-trying-erase-women-its-lesbian-term-1806134

OhcantthInkofaname · 13/06/2023 03:15

Women are being erased.

QuintanaRoo · 13/06/2023 06:44

Just been reading this and the level of rage I have is unbelievable. I’m so fucking angry.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 13/06/2023 07:27

If you want to write to them as a minority (majority) then here's their email address to shut this down!

[email protected]

It's in Maryland, home of the biscuits and especially ironic as the whole town was named after a woman, Mary!?!

#Gogirls!

Inamuddle36 · 13/06/2023 07:50

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 13/06/2023 07:27

If you want to write to them as a minority (majority) then here's their email address to shut this down!

[email protected]

It's in Maryland, home of the biscuits and especially ironic as the whole town was named after a woman, Mary!?!

#Gogirls!

Thanks for the email address. (A better one might be [email protected])
I do think we all need to start writing to organisations to express our views, in addition to discussing amongst ourselves. Real letters might be more effective (albeit more expensive) as they are less easy to delete.

Dr. Charles Lu
Associate Dean of Diversity & Inclusion
Office of the Dean of Student Life
Johns Hopkins University
3510 N Charles St
AMRII
Baltimore, MD 21218
USA

(as an aside, Maryland is a state. The university is in the city of Baltimore)

Whenwillglorioussummercome · 13/06/2023 07:53

I’m beyond sick of being described as right wing, bigoted, phobic. I am NONE of those things. How can anyone with a critical mind think that it’s a neutral or inclusive act to describe women as ‘non-men’?

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