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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Update from CF

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DerekFaker · 07/06/2023 08:28

This sounds horrendous. How can the police do this.

And yes, it was exactly as we predicted in the previous thread.

Should a certain police officer pop up in this thread, please try not to get drawn into protracted, repetitive arguments with him. Please!

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw&s=19

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1666337645427847169?s=19&t=LWaRDewlk7r_8pVTdkE_tw

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SabrinaThwaite · 12/06/2023 10:52

Yeah, it’s amazing how women get arrested for alleged Tweets and memes yet violent men get a free pass.

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2023 10:54

So, arrested I'm April for one thing, then has an order applied for for apparently new things.

And she's somehow supposed to know what's in the new allegations since April, despite the evidence not being put to her, or her solicitors.

I see.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 10:56

SabrinaThwaite
The offences will be along the lines of harassment or malicious communications. But the threshold for that offence has to be met under NCRS for it to be crimed and investigated.

If the police have over stepped the mark, then they need taking to task - but you have to show where that's has occurred in this instance.

Violent men get a free pass - 90% of the jail population are male, so I don't see how they get a 'free pass' as you put it. Which law states that if the perpetrator is male it can be written off?

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 10:58

SinnerBoy
What 'new things' since April?
Where have I said that

I have said its probably part of the April arrest's ongoing enquiry

SabrinaThwaite · 12/06/2023 11:00

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Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:02

SabrinaThwaite
We are back to this argument again........
It always seems to go full circle

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2023 11:03

You said that the new allegations would have been put to her in April. Her going no comment would be irrelevant, because she and her solicitors would know the nature of them.

As you know, they presented the magistrates with a whole new batch of "evidence" and tried for the SPO or whatever it is.

As you know, they hadn't provided the new stuff to CF, or her solicitors, until two days before the hearing.

As you also know, the magistrates said the Police were wrong to have done so, because CF and her solicitors had not had enough time to read and rebut whatever the Police presented.

I can't believe that you can be so deliberately obtuse about this.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 11:06

I can't believe that you can be so deliberately obtuse about this

Yeah, it's the only police man on the planet who has time galore to turn up on these threads consistently within an hour of any of us posting,.

Or an unemployed officer if you like. We can all speculate why.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:07

SinnerBoy
What 'new batch of evidence'?

It will be the evidence from the April enquiry - nothing else will have happened since.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:11

Ourladycheesusedatum
Days off at the moment - and whilst my computer is downloading a diagnostic report on a car I'm fixing - i thought I would check in.

PriOn1 · 12/06/2023 11:16

Ourladycheesusedatum · 12/06/2023 11:06

I can't believe that you can be so deliberately obtuse about this

Yeah, it's the only police man on the planet who has time galore to turn up on these threads consistently within an hour of any of us posting,.

Or an unemployed officer if you like. We can all speculate why.

Identifying online as a policeman can be done by any Thomasiantiana, Dickacello or Harrienetta.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:25

PriOn1
Whether you believe or disbelieve that i am a police officer is irreverent really.
Either the argument is good or the argument is bad. I'm not arguing from authority here.

If you think its bad, then raise a point against it and add to the discussion.

Zebracat · 12/06/2023 11:31

Well, Felix, Thank you for responding but I was actually asking about your motivation , it is quite clear that you repeat yourself in response to certain issues being raised. So, can I assume from your response that your motivation is twofold, firstly, to “explain” the process, which is why you assuredly qualify as a Mansplainer, that’s not abusive or vindictive, it’s just true. Secondly out of a strong sense of compassion for the reporter, whoever that may be, and whatever they may be reporting.
Can I ask if you have a mental image of the reporter, or Victim, in your preferred parlance, or any idea of what kind of crimes we may eventually learn Caroline has been accused of? Ar3 there any circumstances in which you would feel that perhaps on this occasion, Surreys’ finest had overreached themselves?
You are very clear that it wont be “ hurty words” or “wrongthink” , but I’m sure you can respect that we people who don’t believe in gender, have known other people who don’t believe in gender, be interviewed, arrested and prosecuted, for crimes like placing a ribbon, and indeed, hurty words. The Police, the CPS and the Courts have , time after time, demonstrated their willingness to participate in the prosecution, demonisation and criminalisation of beliefs and behaviour which are actually widespread and legal, whilst simultaneously ignoring, minimalising or even facilitating threatening, dishonest and illegal behaviour amongst those who wish to shut us up.
I am sure you are very aware that when policing marginalised communities, the Police need to check their own privilege, avoid patronising people, or falling back on stereotypes, and acknowledge that they may have very legitimate reasons for their lack of trust. So if you are on this thread to explain the Police position, and to stand strong with victims of crime, both laudable if somewhat unnecessary aspirations, you may need first to find a means to engage with us that doesnt make us suspect you of wishing to derail and divide us. HTH.

Dumbo12 · 12/06/2023 11:39

Surely if nothing else has happened since the order being applied for is redundant

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 12/06/2023 11:40

@Zebracat it became very obvious on a previous thread where a woman had been followed by police while out walking her dog not long after Sarah Everard was murdered by a police officer that he can not contemplate the police behaving inappropriately at all. I suspect its a power issue - we are the police and we are right. If he's capable of genuine self reflection I'll eat my hat.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:41

Zebracat
I am not 'mansplaining' - people are asking me questions or raising points which I am answering. That's why my posts have the posters names at the top as I am directing the answers to them. Much like you are asking me questions which I am answering. I personally thinks its rude when a person asks a question and its ignored.

I don't have a mental image of the reporter. I have never met them so have no clue who they are. I also have no idea about the offence which is being reported.

Any circumstances in which Surrey have over reached themselves - loads & loads - and if they have, they should be brought to task over it

It can't be an offence of 'hurty words' or 'wrong think' as those offences don't exist - so there must be an offence attached to the enquiry. CPS will also not pursue such offences which don't exist.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 11:44

BaronessEllarawrosaurus
I've never said that we are right - I have said if they have over stepped the mark, they should be brought to task over it.

Dumbo12
It depends on what the order is based on. Are there circumstances from the initial report from April that are sufficient for the order to be applied for?

nothingcomestonothing · 12/06/2023 12:05

You are very clear that it wont be “ hurty words” or “wrongthink” , but I’m sure you can respect that we people who don’t believe in gender, have known other people who don’t believe in gender, be interviewed, arrested and prosecuted, for crimes like placing a ribbon, and indeed, hurty words. The Police, the CPS and the Courts have , time after time, demonstrated their willingness to participate in the prosecution, demonisation and criminalisation of beliefs and behaviour which are actually widespread and legal, whilst simultaneously ignoring, minimalising or even facilitating threatening, dishonest and illegal behaviour amongst those who wish to shut us up.
I am sure you are very aware that when policing marginalised communities, the Police need to check their own privilege, avoid patronising people, or falling back on stereotypes, and acknowledge that they may have very legitimate reasons for their lack of trust. So if you are on this thread to explain the Police position, and to stand strong with victims of crime, both laudable if somewhat unnecessary aspirations, you may need first to find a means to engage with us that doesnt make us suspect you of wishing to derail and divide us. HTH.

THIS!!! Star

Dumbo12 · 12/06/2023 12:28

If there were sufficient concerns in April for an order to be applied for, then the order should have been applied for then and CF informed. Not two months later with two days notice. An abuse of process, I would have thought.

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2023 12:30

Well, quite. But as neither CF nor her solicitors have seen the material before, it's logical to conclude that it is new.

Unless you have the reasoning powers of a slightly below average thrip, of course.

SerafinasGoose · 12/06/2023 12:53

Interesting to note some (deliberately) disingenuous responses in relation to the board monitors keeping women in their places argument.

The problem with these PPs is not that they 'know their own minds' (buying into the fantasy rainbow unicorn meets spectrum meets 'clownfish' narrative conversely indicates an enormous capacity for self-deceit), but the fact that they think other women are as gullible as they are.

Whoops. Someone's tripped on a Foucauldian banana ...

And yes. It's patently bloody obvious who 'Christine' is.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/06/2023 13:20

I have some sympathy with Felix who I think is engaged in a 'explain/defend the process' mindset, regardless of the circumstances.

It's a sort of default routine answer given to avoid accidentally saying something that may get you in trouble later/give an incorrect impression. It's the 'quote the section of the handbook' approach that deliberately doesn't take any current context into account.

It comes across as Stonewalling. Ironically, or perhaps not.

DrLouiseJMoody · 12/06/2023 13:25

I am pleased to see that Police Officers now have a very healthy work-life balance as evidenced by Felix posting at all hours of the day and night. I will not comment on the numerous inaccuracies in his posts.

Zebracat · 12/06/2023 13:32

@DrLouiseJMoody How is Caroline? She is much n my thoughts.

Felix125 · 12/06/2023 14:26

Dumbo12
I agree - it should have been done earlier - unless something else has happened afterwards and CF has been further arrested. Or arrested for a completely new offence which this order relates to - who knows.

Or the OIC who is dealing with it has only just managed to get this to a court hearing. When you take into account its probably one of twenty or so jobs on their queue to deal with (thefts, assaults, burglaries) - and all the other jobs coming in on a day to day basis, safeguarding, sudden deaths, mental health's, missing people etc etc.

It wont be a department who is dealing with this - it will be one cop. And when you take days off into account, it doesn't leave a lot of time to do inquiries at the best of times.

SinnerBoy
CF would have know the circumstances of why she was arrested in April. We can't arrest someone and not tell them why they have been arrested.

pickledandpuzzled
I'm not defending anything - I am explaining the process. And most of us here do not know the circumstances, that has been my argument all along.

DrLouiseJMoody
We work shifts, so sometimes i will finish work at 3 in the morning. Since this will have been my first opportunity to eat & drink anything, I will have a quick look on here before going to bed. I am currently on my days off - all the housework is done, so i am continuing with my past times, one of which is repairing cars. Since most can now link to this computer for diagnostics, i will look at this thread as they are downloading. So, yes very healthy I would say.

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