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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Remember Petra Wenham? The first transwoman to be on the WI mag cover?

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Clymene · 05/06/2023 05:50

Wenham transitioned at 68 and promptly joined the WI where they were terribly welcoming. The magazine cover features Wenham coyly peeping from behind a tree and gushing about the sisterhood in the press coverage

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21276923.suffolk-retiree-becomes-first-trans-woman-appear-cover-wi-magazine/

Well, you'll never guess what's happened now? Wenham has now been appointed to the National Federation of Women's institutes membership committee.

https://twitter.com/womensins_dec/status/1664887571820806146?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

I'm sure you'll all join me in being shocked. AngryAngryAngry

We can have nothing for ourselves

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Chersfrozenface · 07/09/2023 10:32

TheHappyCarrot · 06/09/2023 15:15

Form a breakaway group, the RWI, the Real Women's Institute.

A couple of times recently I've heard radio adverts for the periodical 'Woman and Home', plugging as the magazine "for real women,".

Now it's possible that they mean women who aren't Vogue or Cosmopolitan's target demographic, but I do wonder whether they mean something else.

HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth · 07/09/2023 10:34

and Wenham was democratically elected by those members

Excuse me I don’t remember a vote on the matter ? This is what the WI Declaration are arguing for .
He was appointed to the membership by the board . There was no election.

OldCrone · 07/09/2023 10:52

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/09/2023 09:55

I suspect a lot of women at senior level in these organisations have trans tweens which is why they are so gung ho. I’ll be amazed if this isn’t the case for women on WI trustee board or SMT

This is one of the reasons that TRAs have been so keen to push the idea of the existence of 'trans children'. As one such TRA once put it, children "... demystify it and take the sex right out of the trans experience.”

The push is for late transitioning males like Petra to be seen as exactly the same as troubled children who are sucked into this, even though their transition is for completely different reasons. The logic is that if 'trans children' exist, who are not sexually motivated, then since the older males are just older versions of these 'trans children' (and the older males always claim to have been just like these children when they were children themselves), then we are expected to believe that the older males don't have a sexual motive for transition.

Mothers of children who identify as transgender then think they have to support the middle-aged male transitioners because they believe this lie that they have transitioned for the same reasons as their children.

HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth · 07/09/2023 11:07

The push is for late transitioning males like Petra to be seen as exactly the same as troubled children who are sucked into this, even though their transition is for completely different reasons. The logic is that if 'trans children' exist, who are not sexually motivated, then since the older males are just older versions of these 'trans children' (and the older males always claim to have been just like these children when they were children themselves), then we are expected to believe that the older males don't have a sexual motive for transition

This seems to be based on a belief that older males do not have and are not capable of being sexual. I assure you they are .

Also if you go trans in order to join an organisation ( stated in an interview ) how does that reconcile with originally being a trans child as opposed to one who liked ( like many children do );dressing up. My son adored dressing up as either a Star Wars stormtrooper or C3PO . Perhaps he will identify as a droid or robotic soldier in later life?

OldCrone · 07/09/2023 11:45

This seems to be based on a belief that older males do not have and are not capable of being sexual. I assure you they are .

That was exactly my point. I'm just astonished that so many people seem not to see the distinction between a gender nonconforming child (or one who just likes dressing up) and a middle-aged man who suddenly decides that he is a 'transwoman' after decades of marriage to a woman during which he has fathered children. Despite all the evidence that such a transition in an older male is usually preceded by a period of cross-dressing which is quite clearly sexually motivated.

The TRA I quoted was quite clear that the recruitment of children was a deliberate ploy to try to convince people that confused children were exactly the same as middle-aged males with a paraphilia in order to gain sympathy and acceptance for these adult males.

Imashamediknowthis · 07/09/2023 11:58

highame · 07/09/2023 07:32

No Longer the WI, now
Trans
Women's
Institute and
National
Society
Enabling
Transition

or TWINSET which is probably what Petra is going to teach us about 😁

Not to forget the sister org
Protecting
Equality
And
Rights for
Laydees
Society

Boiledeggandtoast · 07/09/2023 12:11

Wenham was democratically elected by those members

I have been a member for more than 10 years and don't remember being offered a vote on Wenham, (or on admitting transwomen to the WI come to that).

highame · 07/09/2023 12:42

😂

highame · 07/09/2023 12:44

highame · 07/09/2023 12:42

😂

forgot to say @Imashamediknowthis 😂

DelurkingLawyer · 07/09/2023 12:50

OldCrone · 07/09/2023 11:45

This seems to be based on a belief that older males do not have and are not capable of being sexual. I assure you they are .

That was exactly my point. I'm just astonished that so many people seem not to see the distinction between a gender nonconforming child (or one who just likes dressing up) and a middle-aged man who suddenly decides that he is a 'transwoman' after decades of marriage to a woman during which he has fathered children. Despite all the evidence that such a transition in an older male is usually preceded by a period of cross-dressing which is quite clearly sexually motivated.

The TRA I quoted was quite clear that the recruitment of children was a deliberate ploy to try to convince people that confused children were exactly the same as middle-aged males with a paraphilia in order to gain sympathy and acceptance for these adult males.

Almost everything becomes clearer about the TRA movement once you understand that it’s always about late transitioning males. Eg the obsession with removing the word woman or mother is not about the needs of trans men. It’s actually about preventing us from using the word “woman” in any context (birth, menstruation etc) where it could only refer to females. Because every time we do that it gives the lie to the TWAW mantra.

JellyfishandShells · 07/09/2023 13:26

Boiledeggandtoast · 07/09/2023 12:11

Wenham was democratically elected by those members

I have been a member for more than 10 years and don't remember being offered a vote on Wenham, (or on admitting transwomen to the WI come to that).

Nor me - it just appeared as a fait accompli.

We have a new branch President, perfectly technologically competent, who announced that she was handing over the responsibility of our branch social media to her teenage daughters ( which must breach all kinds of rules - WI is big on formal structure and accountability about everything else) . They promptly posted that picture of coy ‘ Petra ‘ on our branch Instagram account with some encouraging epithet.

WomensInstituteDeclaration · 07/09/2023 17:29

That's great, I might pinch it, I couldn't think of a good acronym!

Nellieinthebarn · 07/09/2023 17:32

My mums WI have disbanded and rebranded themselves into a lunch club, they now just meet up once a month and have a lovely lunch in a pub. It wasn't just the Trans issue, but it was a big part of it.

WomensInstituteDeclaration · 07/09/2023 17:37

We got rid of Mermaids from the LGBTQ+ history timeline, we will write again about the EDI policy, there are no definitions of lesbians, bisexual or woman. They do not care. Thanks for the reminder about the EDI policy.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/09/2023 17:38

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/09/2023 10:23

im sure you can evidence that claim that it’s been in place since the 70s

Interested in both the 1970’s information and evidence that the whole of the WI voted on this matter

OldCrone · 07/09/2023 17:54

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/09/2023 17:38

Interested in both the 1970’s information and evidence that the whole of the WI voted on this matter

It's interesting that a man claims to know all this, but all the women who have been members for years were completely unaware.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/09/2023 18:33

Absolutely oldcrone

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 07/09/2023 18:39

Boiledeggandtoast · 07/09/2023 12:11

Wenham was democratically elected by those members

I have been a member for more than 10 years and don't remember being offered a vote on Wenham, (or on admitting transwomen to the WI come to that).

I definitely wasn't and neither was anyone of my fellow WI members .

RufustheFactualReindeer · 07/09/2023 18:50

There are 180,000 members, and Wenham was democratically elected by those members

to be fair words and meanings have changed a lot in the last few years so maybe the words democratically, elected and members mean something else now

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 07/09/2023 19:04

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/09/2023 09:55

I suspect a lot of women at senior level in these organisations have trans tweens which is why they are so gung ho. I’ll be amazed if this isn’t the case for women on WI trustee board or SMT

You're probably correct.

I think senior management see it as an easy way to gain a few points on diversity indexes and with relatives. They just see it as letting one man into one postion and then gaining the right to brag about how progressive they are. They dont see how they are contributing to 'woman' becoming a fantasy in a mans head.

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