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NotTerfNorCis · 05/06/2023 08:04

The fundamental problem here is that:

The right-wing have found genderism a useful tool to attack the left, because it's so obviously ridiculous.

Left-wing 'woke-bros' have found right-wing criticism of genderism a useful tool to attack feminism, because they can accuse feminists of allying with the right.

It's a tricky situation for feminists.

nolongersurprised · 05/06/2023 08:06

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:00

Also I think Walsh's belief that on average boys and girls are different in their interests is more generally agreed with by the general public than the GC belief that it's just an oppressive social construct, so his approach was always going to be more appealing.

it’s the underpinning of gender ideology and the idea that you can be born in the wrong body.

Have you watched him on Dr Phil? He comments on how when a young boy says he wants to be a girl, what the boy means can be that he wants to play with the dolls’ house and that, of course, it’s ok for boys to play with the dolls’ house.

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:13

PurpleBugz · 05/06/2023 08:00

Which is possibly why people listen to him....

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You might be right - many people find feminism uncomfortable and a bit boring.

Also very easy to produce a ranty video. More difficult to do the boring grunt work of creating policies that E.g. provide accessible health care that meets ethical standards (no need for a judicial review if you just don’t provide any care at all or even have a framework for such a thing in your country because that would be socialist!!)

ohdelay · 05/06/2023 08:14

MrGHardy · 05/06/2023 07:41

That is because conservatives like him think one's 'gender', i.e. one's personality, interests, etc. should match one's sex, while gender ideology prescribes matching one's sex to one's personality, interests, etc. and that the latter is oh so special, especially the more un-normal it is.

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Strange take. I think he believes modern gender is bullshit and can be covered by personality which is individual and unique. Like most older people he would have grown up where the word gender was another word for biological sex. Boys who like dolls are still boys. It's actually pretty sane compared to the incoherent gender waffling.

nolongersurprised · 05/06/2023 08:16

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:13

You might be right - many people find feminism uncomfortable and a bit boring.

Also very easy to produce a ranty video. More difficult to do the boring grunt work of creating policies that E.g. provide accessible health care that meets ethical standards (no need for a judicial review if you just don’t provide any care at all or even have a framework for such a thing in your country because that would be socialist!!)

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Have you actually seen the documentary?

I disagree that it was “easy”, he is a skilled interviewer and a good debater.

these skills look easy but can be hard to emulate.

MalagaNights · 05/06/2023 08:20

Yeah Matt Walsh isn't a feminist. I don't think anyone is going to argue that he is.

Both Matt Walsh and some feminsts think biological sex is a reality and you can't change it.

Both factual.

Some feminsts don't seem able to cope with the fact they agree with an anti feminist.

Matt Walsh doesn't seem bothered that he agrees with some anti Matt Walshers.

ohdelay · 05/06/2023 08:24

nolongersurprised · 04/06/2023 22:26

First they came for the children - sterilising, chemically castrating them - and I did not speak out because the other people speaking out weren’t exactly the same as me.

Spot on. Or maybe I didn't speak out because I was a goose stepping cultist who wanted to medicalise and sterilise huge swathes of future generations. Affirmation is sterilisation btw. Hormone blockers before puberty starts create non functional micro genitalia.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/
Weird that our broken NHS with its massive waiting lists are doing this to kids when they know they are destroying healthy tissue and not creating functioning genital replacements. First do no harm?

Gender dysphoria - Treatment

Treatment for gender dysphoria aims to help people live the way they want to, in their preferred gender identity or as non-binary.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/06/2023 08:25

TraumatisedGooner · 05/06/2023 07:05

I certainly can’t speak for all people that are pro trans rights but… I believe gender is a social construct. I don’t think that’s an unusual point of view either.

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Ooh, are we getting closer to you explaining your beliefs?

berating people on the internet for not sharing your beliefs when you can’t actually explain them is certainly an…interesting position

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:26

nolongersurprised · 05/06/2023 08:16

Have you actually seen the documentary?

I disagree that it was “easy”, he is a skilled interviewer and a good debater.

these skills look easy but can be hard to emulate.

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I’m not arguing that he isn’t good at what he does - his YouTube channel is very popular and he is good at creating content that gets clicks.

MalagaNights · 05/06/2023 08:28

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:13

You might be right - many people find feminism uncomfortable and a bit boring.

Also very easy to produce a ranty video. More difficult to do the boring grunt work of creating policies that E.g. provide accessible health care that meets ethical standards (no need for a judicial review if you just don’t provide any care at all or even have a framework for such a thing in your country because that would be socialist!!)

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He hasn't just produced a 'ranty video'.

He's working with Governors of a number of states to bring in legislation to ban 'gender affirming care' for children. They've been successful in Texas (I think would need to check States)

He's also directly targeting and revealing the practice of children's hospitals to get them to stop the mutilation of children. Again with some success.

He's working with parents to challenge school boards and get elected to challenge gender ideology in schools.

He's bringing a number of individual law suits against people illegally providing kids with cross sex hormones.

Look, you may disagree with him on many many other things but trying to criticise his work on this because he's not a feminist is just stupid.

He has resources and reach. Do you want this stopped or not?

PaleBlueMoonlight · 05/06/2023 08:28

PurpleBugz · 05/06/2023 07:51

Oh I'm sorry is noticing and highlighting differences in how men and women are treated differently silly? Highlighting a clear and current example of how women's voices are ignored but men tend not to be?

It's not silly. To call the highlighting of oppression silly is to be part of the oppression

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Indeed. I agree with you Malaga, but yet you still have to use denigrating language.

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:35

He's working with Governors of a number of states to bring in legislation to ban 'gender affirming care' for children. They've been successful in Texas (I think would need to check States)

Is he also working with those governors to ensure that children suffering from the co-morbidities associated with gender dysphoria (autism, mental health problems, trauma) have adequate care and support? It seems that these states are very good at banning, but not so good at supporting access to any kind of healthcare.

(See also banning abortions while cutting funding to support care of actual live children).

MrGHardy · 05/06/2023 08:36

TraumatisedGooner · 05/06/2023 07:05

I certainly can’t speak for all people that are pro trans rights but… I believe gender is a social construct. I don’t think that’s an unusual point of view either.

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I think you are confusing promoting an ideology with 'rights'. I doubt there are any people here who think trans people shouldn't have rights. The point is that males having access to female spaces isn't a right. What you really meant to say in that statement was not "trans rights" but "trans demands".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/06/2023 08:37

I believe gender is a social construct.

Yes, so do I. What is sex?

ohdelay · 05/06/2023 08:40

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:35

He's working with Governors of a number of states to bring in legislation to ban 'gender affirming care' for children. They've been successful in Texas (I think would need to check States)

Is he also working with those governors to ensure that children suffering from the co-morbidities associated with gender dysphoria (autism, mental health problems, trauma) have adequate care and support? It seems that these states are very good at banning, but not so good at supporting access to any kind of healthcare.

(See also banning abortions while cutting funding to support care of actual live children).

First do no harm. Giving them permanent physical issues to go with their mental issues isn't affirmation. I think you're the problem. What have you done? Why criticism for someone who has actually taken action. If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick. Instead, we're pandering to insanity. Lying to ourselves and letting atrocities happen, because we're kind and righteous and we talk a good game but do fuck all.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/06/2023 08:43

He is good at what he does. Though when he asked the paediatritian about castration I did miss Sasha and Stella. They would have apologetically asked how the blue-haired loon preferred them to frame the question and she could have condemned herself all in her own words But he has a different style which appelas to many people who aren't so interested in the ins and outs of why people believe what they believe, and he did a very good expose in his own style.

And I especially value the time he gave to Scott Newgent.

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:50

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

At least I see where you are coming from - blaming women.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place. It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

That is why I find people like Kathleen Stock and Hannah Barnes helpful.

ohdelay · 05/06/2023 08:52

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:50

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

At least I see where you are coming from - blaming women.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place. It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

That is why I find people like Kathleen Stock and Hannah Barnes helpful.

Yep, you're the problem. Pandering. Don't play games with crazy. Be kind is bullshit. Be honest. Have some integrity

ohdelay · 05/06/2023 08:54

"First do no harm" means what it says. It mean don't start cutting up healthy tissue. You can do that without any of the services or money schemes. It is actually easier to do nothing than to start chopping people up. But you keep asking for services, they'll keep chopping;.

MalagaNights · 05/06/2023 08:54

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:35

He's working with Governors of a number of states to bring in legislation to ban 'gender affirming care' for children. They've been successful in Texas (I think would need to check States)

Is he also working with those governors to ensure that children suffering from the co-morbidities associated with gender dysphoria (autism, mental health problems, trauma) have adequate care and support? It seems that these states are very good at banning, but not so good at supporting access to any kind of healthcare.

(See also banning abortions while cutting funding to support care of actual live children).

Oh, he's not doing everything you think should happen.
And he thinks some unrelated things that you don't like.
That's why he's bad.

That long list of successful cultural & political involvement to stop the medicalisation of gender non conforming children isn't enough.

You said he's not changing policies.
I said he is.
Now you say he's not changing all the polici
es.

That's what's bad about Matt Walsh.

It seems you give him too much credit you want him to do everything.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous.

nolongersurprised · 05/06/2023 08:57

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:50

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

At least I see where you are coming from - blaming women.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place. It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

That is why I find people like Kathleen Stock and Hannah Barnes helpful.

How is Kathleen Stock helping to fund child mental health services adequately?

Youre naive when it comes to the gender clinics. Here in Australia the gender clinics will support assessments for trauma/ASD etc and then transition them anyway

Jellyx · 05/06/2023 08:59

MalagaNights · 02/06/2023 15:10

It's more about kids than women despite the title.

The first half is quite light-hearted with people looking foolish, the second half is harder hitting when he starts talking to Scott Newgent and revealing what's been done to kids.

It's definitely not a GC feminist film but it'll resonate with many parents in the way that many GC feminists won't.

Yes I think it's designed to show what crazy people are around and what it's doing to children.

I loved it. It's not meant to be pro women but pro children and not mainstreaming mental illness

Jellyx · 05/06/2023 08:59

NewNameNigel · 02/06/2023 15:13

Its gone from bad to worse - there is something horribly colonial about the scene with the Maasai tribe!

What's so bad about it? Would you have felt better if Matt Walsh was black and speaking to the tribe?

MalagaNights · 05/06/2023 09:00

Merrymouse · 05/06/2023 08:50

If female athletes had refused to compete with bio males the same way they take stands against drug cheats, this would have been nipped in the bud pretty quick

At least I see where you are coming from - blaming women.

From my point of view ‘first do no harm’ means adequate funding of E.g. CAHMS. and social services so that somebody like Keira Bell has proper support in place. It doesn’t mean simply banning services as part of a culture war.

That is why I find people like Kathleen Stock and Hannah Barnes helpful.

So you think in the USA they should continue to cut the breasts off 13yr old girls until they have a mental health service in place?

I'm with Matt Walsh and not you on this. It's evil and should be illegal immediately.

We can discuss mental health services meanwhile but stopping surgery, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to kids needs to be immediate.

Jellyx · 05/06/2023 09:02

I wouldn't say I'm feminist- not the modern sense anyway.

I love men, my father, brother etc I don't think men are evil. But I do think women should be valued more for the contributions as mothers