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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disneyland greeter

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Neverplayleapfrogwithmrpipes · 31/05/2023 07:59

https://twitter.com/jonesville/status/1663381709667303425?s=46&t=mjCevLYB8rsDn2VcwfsB7w

This popped up on my Twitter regarding a Disney greeter called Nick in a dress.

https://twitter.com/jonesville/status/1663381709667303425?s=46&t=mjCevLYB8rsDn2VcwfsB7w

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MalagaNights · 03/06/2023 12:30

thirdfiddle · 03/06/2023 11:54

Maybe he or his employer thinks it would be encouraging for any little boys who do want their disney dress. Maybe (it is a very sexist environment) they haven't had a male assistant before and didn't have a trouser version of the uniform. Maybe he just wanted a headline. Maybe he thought it would be a laugh.

He's not interrupting the kids' suspension of disbelief the way he would be if he was playing Elsa, or gaslighting anyone by demanding we pretend he's female.

If a man was dressed up as a dog at disney I wouldn't assume he was a fetishist. If he's dressed up as a dog at a pride march, I would. (Am I allowed to say that? I think they do acknowledge it's a fetish they're celebrating?) Disney is an environment that's about dressing up, Pride is an environment that's about sexuality.

I'm not asserting anything for sure, just thinking it through really.

Actually adult guests aren't allowed to dress up as princesses or dogs etc at Disney. In case they're confused as official characters.

Hannahsbananas · 03/06/2023 12:39

Maybe (it is a very sexist environment) they haven't had a male assistant before and didn't have a trouser version of the uniform.
If they can source giant mouse heads, a pair of trousers would hardly present an insurmountable obstacle.

MalagaNights · 03/06/2023 12:54

Hannahsbananas · 03/06/2023 12:39

Maybe (it is a very sexist environment) they haven't had a male assistant before and didn't have a trouser version of the uniform.
If they can source giant mouse heads, a pair of trousers would hardly present an insurmountable obstacle.

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Disney are master's of costume design. Even I can imagine a lovely outfit for Nick for his role as the fairy godmother's assistant:

Maybe Knickerbockers, or even a pleated skirt reminiscent of a kilt, with a frilly blouse, lace cuffs, and maybe a swooshy cape, and shoes with buckles and maybe even a bow. And a hat with flowers.

Something that was feminine and interesting but not just a bloke obviously wearing the women's outfit.

I used to be a big fan of Disney before they started to very obviously push an ideology on kids and families who haven't signed up for that, who just want an innocent day of fun.

They've stated they want to get as much queer into their content as possible.
And here is Nick.

thirdfiddle · 03/06/2023 13:40

Actually adult guests aren't allowed to dress up as princesses or dogs etc at Disney. In case they're confused as official characters.
Talking about the staff, sorry if not clear.

To the costume designers, not sure they would bother designing a whole new costume for one bloke who then wouldn't be uniform with anyone. I don't know even, maybe they have an army of blokes in knickerbockers too. As Datun says, there could be any of a number of reasons.

And now I'm getting back to back Disney adverts in the side bar... Enough. I'm not a fan.

PinkFrogss · 03/06/2023 14:33

It’s a man in a dress, as long as he’s not claiming that makes him a woman I don’t see the issue.

I agree with those saying let’s clothes be clothes. I agree it’s currently outside the social norm to see a man in a dress and few do, but that doesn’t mean it can’t or change in the future. Fashions and social norms change and progress all the time, otherwise women wouldn’t be allowed to wear trousers or show their ankles.

AliasGrace47 · 04/09/2025 03:00

MalagaNights · 01/06/2023 14:21

If we want to change social norms that should happen in the adult world first.

Where are all the men wearing dresses just as a fashion choice? To work, and when out with their wives? With this being mainstream and accepted?
There aren't any.

It's not yet normal or acceptable, it's transgressive of the current social norms.

Why is a social change which hasn't occurred in the adult world being focused on children first? That's a serious question because it's the first time I think that the aim has been to normalise something for children first before it's accepted by adults.

Gays did not focus on getting kids at Disney Land to accept them before everyone else had.

Gay people did try to bring up children in the 70s before gayness was widely accepted. But obvs that's different from random Disney land greetings

BonfireLady · 04/09/2025 08:01

BonfireLady · 31/05/2023 08:45

This isn't a problem. It's a man in a dress.

The problem is what gets teamed with it. For example, telling men (and women) that they need to be dressed a certain way, telling young boys that if they like dresses they are probably girls (so let's put you on puberty blockers, resulting in sterility) etc.

The other problem is people clamping down with bigotry on anyone that doesn't conform to sexist stereotypes.

It's just a man in a dress. Perhaps he "identifies" as a TW. Perhaps not. Either way, he's still a man in a dress. If it transpires that he is a TW and would prefer me to use she/her to describe him, I have no issue with that and would make that switch. I'm still aware of biology - so it doesn't change anything in that respect.

He's not dressed in any sexualised way. Therefore, no issue in front of kids. Obviously if he starts overtly getting off on kids seeing him dressed as "a little girl", or has any known history of autogynophilia then he absolutely shouldn't be given a platform to play out a fantasy. That's one of the reasons why there are safeguarding checks when adults work with children. But unless we know this, it's just a man in a dress.

Someone has just liked this comment I made two years ago.

I've re-read my words and this bit jumped out at me:

Either way, he's still a man in a dress. If it transpires that he is a TW and would prefer me to use she/her to describe him, I have no issue with that and would make that switch.

Looking again at my comment, if it transpired that he was a TW, I now wouldn't switch to using she/her pronouns. Instead, I would stop using pronouns at all. During the time between posting that comment and now, I've realised that I don't believe that everyone has a gender identity (I think I still believed in it myself at that point, or was at least agnostic) and that I don't want to be coerced into using the tenets of a belief that I don't hold.

If Nick was a man in a dress who told us that it was unkind not to use she/her pronouns for TW, I would still look at it from the safeguarding angle I described when it comes to working with children. But from what we can see in the clip, Nick is just a man in a dress who would be subject to the safeguarding rules that apply to all staff working at Disney.

The bigger questions are not about Nick but about the safeguarding policy:

  • does Disney's safeguarding policy recognise that autogynophilia exists?
  • if not, is the current policy (accidentally/coincidentally) adequate to protect visitors to Disneyland and female staff members?

Edited for typo.

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 04/09/2025 13:13

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 31/05/2023 09:42

But if seeing Nick in a dress helps a boy to realise that there is no set way to be a boy, that's great

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ive known a few little boys who wore Disney dresses or who wanted to be a Disney Princess

My oldest boy used to put on the third dress on the dressing up box to run around playing with his 2 little girl friends. It was just dressing up play 😀 used to send pictures to his dad to wind him up but he didn't really mind either. He's a happy, well-adjusted teenager now - I don't think there was any serious issue for him!

Having said that, I'm a bit conflicted with this as he's in a work role. Is this telling little girls that even a fantastic job working in the Disney Princess store is not for them, it's for boys?

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