Why is it socially acceptable to stereotype and vilify white women as a whole?

[TheTERFnextDoor]

I've seen this a lot recently, often from other white women bizarrely, and I don't understand why it's socially acceptable?

I think it goes without saying that in most groups, you get good and bad people. White women are surely no different in that respect? Yes, many of them are privileged, and they don't face the discrimination that other categories might. I accept that. However, that doesn't change the fact that they aren't some homogeneous mass of people, surely?

I am genuinely trying to learn here, so I'd appreciate all responses, particularly those that disagree

Where can I find the stats on the use of Karen as a slur and the social / educational class of those it is directed at?

And? Words hurt? If you know you’re not being a Karen why would you care?

Because it's misogynistic, @HadalyEve

No, this is not correct.

The Met can use the same positive action provisions as any other employer.

The Times suggests that Met Police commissioner Dame Cressida Dick has been lobbying the government for a change in law that would allow it to apply a form of positive discrimination to its recruitment practices, enabling it to increase the proportion of police officers from diverse backgrounds.

However, a Met Police spokesperson has since confirmed that it is not asking for changes to the law to allow it to apply positive discrimination in its recruitment practices, which is generally unlawful under the Equality Act 2010.

“What we are seeking is clarity that we can apply the existing ‘equal merit’ provision more routinely to police officer recruitment for a time-limited period, in order to expedite the entry of more applicants from Black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds and women, to meet our current recruitment aspirations more quickly. Given our role and purpose it is right that the Met does all it can to further increase the diversity of our workforce to better reflect London’s population,” the spokesperson said.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/met-police-wants-clarity-on-using-positive-action-to-boost-diversity/

As it happens, this event probably was lawful under S. 158 but that makes no difference to the victimisation part of Anna's claim. If you raise an issue connected with the EA, or if you whistleblow, the law says you cannot be treated badly because of this, even if it turns out you were mistaken.

I note that you continue to ignore the rest of her claim.

Why wouldn't she care?

As it happens, this event probably was lawful under S. 158 but that makes no difference to the victimisation part of Anna's claim. If you raise an issue connected with the EA, or if you whistleblow, the law says you cannot be treated badly because of this, even if it turns out you were mistaken.

YY. It comes back down again to harassment in the workplace.

If it’s being used as properly being a Karen is associated with the kind of middle class woman who demands to "speak to the manager" in order to belittle lower class service industry workers and carries out racist micro-aggressions, such as asking Black people if they live in their own home/neighbourhood or belong to the gym/pool (gatekeeping). But a predominant feature of the "Karen" stereotype is that they weaponise their relative privilege against Black people - for example, when making police complaints against Black people for minor or even - in numerous cases fictitious infractions by pretending their life is being threatened when they are in no danger whatsoever.

Well, this part specifically was victimisation but she also claimed harassment, along with discrimination on the grounds of belief and race.

The vast majority are privileged middle class, educated women weaponising their education, familiarity and connections with the authorities and class to engage in racist behaviours

And this is where we're back to asking for evidence. Because I find it implausible to say the least that there are large numbers of educated women with that level of influence in society who routinely use their social capital to be racist. Why would they? To what end?

I'm sure we all know what "Karen" is claimed to mean, however in the U.K. at least it's widely used as a slur for any woman who speaks up about something. Mostly white, but not exclusively, I've particularly seen it used against Asian women like Priti Patel and Suella Braverman. And it is primarily used by white young people and white men, in my experience.

No it really isn’t because it’s not hatred for women, it’s a term we coined to criticise the racist and classist behaviour of certain middle class privileged women.

Calling that misogyny is typical British deflection and denial of the existence of racist micro-aggressions by these women. It’s an attempt to silence discussion about women’s specific actions in perpetuating a racist society by screaming “misogynist” in our faces.

That description of a "Karen" sounds completely US-centric.

Also, it was in use before the explosion on social media in 2020, it hasn't always had a race-based meaning, that came later, from the US. It was first coined on Reddit by some saddo to disparage his ex wife. It's misogyny.

Evidence is racist, Frosty. It’s how us Karens oppress black/trans folx with our Eurocentric Enlightenment bullshit.

The world will be a better place when everyone accepts what any self-determined identity group has demanded (except women obvs).

This sounds familiar.

'TERF isn't misogynistic. We don't hate women, just TERFs'

@Ereshkigalangcleg that's definitely been my experience of its usage in the UK also.

No it really isn’t because it’s not hatred for women, it’s a term we coined to criticise the racist and classist behaviour of certain middle class privileged women.

That's not what it means here in the U.K., it's an indiscriminate misogynistic slur towards (usually white and middle aged, but not exclusively) women who make themselves heard.

You’re not asking for evidence that there are apparently hordes of illiterate and penniless women on social media apparently able to read/write and pay data bills in order to be the “vast majority” called Karens simply for having an opinion as another poster has claimed?

No, you’re demanding evidence from me for the most plausible and widely accepted usage of Karen while just blindly accepting that scenario? 🤦🏿‍♀️

Even if that were originally true, it isn’t now.

One if the things that women and black people have in common is that terms for us that start out neutral or specific are rapidly re-purposed to general insults.

Calling that misogyny is typical British deflection and denial of the existence of racist micro-aggressions by these women. It’s an attempt to silence discussion about women’s specific actions in perpetuating a racist society by screaming “misogynist” in our faces

If that's how you want to perceive it, that's up to you. But it's not going to stop me calling out a misogynistic slur, just like people shouting "transphobia" doesn't stop me calling out the misogynistic nature of trans rights activism. I am a feminist. That's my focus.

Yes, this is what I've seen too.

Yes it is what it means here in the U.K. despite the best efforts of white feminists to misappropriate it from us and twist it out of all recognition. At least the BBC has the decency to still report it as having the meaning and application I am saying and not the catch all you are claiming it means.

The BBC is not a neutral source in any sense.

@HadalyEve can I ask why you capitalise black and not white?

When you use “we” and “us” in your posts who are you talking about?