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PoshCoffee · 2023-05-25T18:03:17+00:00

The new British Cycling policy goes public at 11am tomorrow. Anyone dare to speculate on the outcome? Will it be a win for women?

lechiffre55 · 27/05/2023 13:06

Is it me or has "no debate" and "we are not up for debate" suddenly become "we need nuianced debate"? I wonder what brought this change about?

Pixiedust1234 · 27/05/2023 13:06

Jeeze, couldn't you have put the sensitive content thingy on that photo?

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:08

lechiffre55 · 27/05/2023 13:06

Is it me or has "no debate" and "we are not up for debate" suddenly become "we need nuianced debate"? I wonder what brought this change about?

Because they’ve realised that #nodebate doesn’t work now that the pushback has really started.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 27/05/2023 13:09

GailBlancheViola · 26/05/2023 13:58

But, but, but everyone apart from six women on Mumsnet agree with absolutely everything in the Trans Agenda, those six women on Mumsnet are on the wrong side of history....

Ain't it funny how whenever the general public are polled the results reflect the reality rather than the delusion?

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I noticed on a thread yesterday (forget which soz) a lot of new usernames. Who made intelligent comments.
And I'm glad to see this getting through to more people.

I also wondered if "THE SIX OF US" had taken on many more socks. <<<<a very obvious joke but I have to state this for the hard of thinking.

Boiledbeetle · 27/05/2023 13:10

Pixiedust1234 · 27/05/2023 13:06

Jeeze, couldn't you have put the sensitive content thingy on that photo?

I keep forgetting that's a thing 😁

Boiledbeetle · 27/05/2023 13:14

Well this is turning into a marathon not a sprint.

The voting seems to have slowed. Annoyed is probably to far out in front to be caught at this point in the race.

Unless Happy gets a sly shot of adrenaline when no one is watching I don't think they'll pull this back.

WhiteFire · 27/05/2023 13:15

lechiffre55 · 27/05/2023 13:06

Is it me or has "no debate" and "we are not up for debate" suddenly become "we need nuianced debate"? I wonder what brought this change about?

It's no debate when they are getting their own way, a nuanced debate is when things aren't and they need to make sure things go back to getting their own way. a.k.a Shut up and listen to us.

WhiteFire · 27/05/2023 13:18

Happy was good whilst she lasted, annoyed isn't controlling the field as much as he hoped though.

lechiffre55 · 27/05/2023 13:19

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:08

Because they’ve realised that #nodebate doesn’t work now that the pushback has really started.

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It's almost like to have debate right from the start would have resulted in a far less febrile and far more accommodating acceptance and integration with much more friendly and equitable compromise all around.
Instead starting off with the nuclear option resulted in nuclear war. Who could possibly have predicted that?
Behave like a stroppy child with no boundaries and you'll get treated like one.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 27/05/2023 13:22

SirChenjins · 26/05/2023 15:51

I’m sure this has been explained somewhere but please humour me…why aren’t there male/female/trans men/trans women categories in sports?

Maybe not enough trans people to make a team or to rank?

I think its more to do with who will watch, therefore who will buy tickets, merch, advertising. So in short. Money.

Chersfrozenface · 27/05/2023 13:26

I'm not sure Furious Cat Wrestling is something for the MN Games. It looks more like it's from Ancient Roman gladiatorial games.

nothingcomestonothing · 27/05/2023 13:26

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:04

Different scheme applies - WADA is the World Anti Doping Agency. For a special feelings exemption certificate you have to apply to the World Transgender Agency for Feelings.

Because as soon as we see someone with special feelings making use of this exemption we immediately think WTAF.

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Thank you that made me genuinely lol

SidewaysOtter · 27/05/2023 13:41

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:04

Different scheme applies - WADA is the World Anti Doping Agency. For a special feelings exemption certificate you have to apply to the World Transgender Agency for Feelings.

Because as soon as we see someone with special feelings making use of this exemption we immediately think WTAF.

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SinnerBoy · 27/05/2023 13:43

WarningToTheCurious · Today 13:04

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WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:44

Boiledbeetle · 27/05/2023 13:59

Ourladycheesusedatum · 27/05/2023 13:09

I noticed on a thread yesterday (forget which soz) a lot of new usernames. Who made intelligent comments.
And I'm glad to see this getting through to more people.

I also wondered if "THE SIX OF US" had taken on many more socks. <<<<a very obvious joke but I have to state this for the hard of thinking.

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I did a count the other day of my various usernames I've used since joining mumsnet.

How did i end up with over 50??

I only rarely use them to sock puppet 😉

Waitwhat23 · 27/05/2023 14:02

lechiffre55 · 27/05/2023 13:19

It's almost like to have debate right from the start would have resulted in a far less febrile and far more accommodating acceptance and integration with much more friendly and equitable compromise all around.
Instead starting off with the nuclear option resulted in nuclear war. Who could possibly have predicted that?
Behave like a stroppy child with no boundaries and you'll get treated like one.

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Yep. Had the starting point been 'there are two conflicting sets of needs, what can we do to meet the needs of everyone', then there could have been solutions found.

As it was, shouting 'rights are not a pie!', 'it's a genocide!!!', 'not valid', 'both sides as bad as each other' and shouting down any sort of questions with added 'die in a grease fire, you bigot' has led to women no longer prepared to negotiate with what are essentially entitled over grown toddlers.

BCCoach · 27/05/2023 14:12

I registered specifically to comment on this post having been a long time lurker. The new regulations are being broadly welcomed by coaches and volunteers who have had to keep their lips buttoned for so long.

There seem to be quite a few posters who believe this policy only applies at the elite level and not at grassroots. This is incorrect, it applies at all levels including youth (which starts at U6). There do seem to be a few exceptions:

Go-Ride. This is club youth riding (5-14) which is mixed anyway. There are specific Go-Ride races which are basically taster races for kids with fewer restrictions on equipment to keep entry barriers down. You don’t need a race licence to enter and results don’t count towards national youth rankings.
Go-Race. These are taster races for adults again with fewer restrictions/rules than a sanctioned race. You don’t need all licence and don’t win any points towards national ranking or advancing your category. There are in fact very few of these, mostly it seems to be summer cyclocross.
Breeze. These are led rides (either road or off-road) specifically for women interested in cycling for recreation, fitness and as a social activity rather than as a competitive sport. This is the area where I think that BC might have been bolder but I suspect they are trying to protect ride leaders as if the policy has been extended to Breeze I could quite easily see rides being targeted by TRAs.

The main takeaway is that all BC sanctioned races will now be ‘female’ or ‘open’ category. This includes all grassroots races including youth and junior (U6-U18) and adult cat 4 novice races, except for those specifically tagged as ‘Go-Ride’ or ‘Go-Race’. To get an idea of the type of races that will or won’t be covered by the policy you can search your local races here: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/home

Events

British Cycling

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/home

BluebellBlueballs · 27/05/2023 14:22

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 13:08

Because they’ve realised that #nodebate doesn’t work now that the pushback has really started.

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Yes it was only 'no debate' when they were getting their own way, unquestioned

ArabeIIaScott · 27/05/2023 14:32

BCCoach · 27/05/2023 14:12

I registered specifically to comment on this post having been a long time lurker. The new regulations are being broadly welcomed by coaches and volunteers who have had to keep their lips buttoned for so long.

There seem to be quite a few posters who believe this policy only applies at the elite level and not at grassroots. This is incorrect, it applies at all levels including youth (which starts at U6). There do seem to be a few exceptions:

Go-Ride. This is club youth riding (5-14) which is mixed anyway. There are specific Go-Ride races which are basically taster races for kids with fewer restrictions on equipment to keep entry barriers down. You don’t need a race licence to enter and results don’t count towards national youth rankings.
Go-Race. These are taster races for adults again with fewer restrictions/rules than a sanctioned race. You don’t need all licence and don’t win any points towards national ranking or advancing your category. There are in fact very few of these, mostly it seems to be summer cyclocross.
Breeze. These are led rides (either road or off-road) specifically for women interested in cycling for recreation, fitness and as a social activity rather than as a competitive sport. This is the area where I think that BC might have been bolder but I suspect they are trying to protect ride leaders as if the policy has been extended to Breeze I could quite easily see rides being targeted by TRAs.

The main takeaway is that all BC sanctioned races will now be ‘female’ or ‘open’ category. This includes all grassroots races including youth and junior (U6-U18) and adult cat 4 novice races, except for those specifically tagged as ‘Go-Ride’ or ‘Go-Race’. To get an idea of the type of races that will or won’t be covered by the policy you can search your local races here: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/home

Wow! That's even better news!

Thanks so much for registering to clarify that!

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 14:35

I guess for Breeze it’s much harder to argue that fairness and safety are more important factors than inclusion.

Boiledbeetle · 27/05/2023 14:37

@BCCoach that is good to hear.

And now you've registered please stay... don't leave us... 😀

BCCoach · 27/05/2023 14:44

WarningToTheCurious · 27/05/2023 14:35

I guess for Breeze it’s much harder to argue that fairness and safety are more important factors than inclusion.

I think safety is key here. It’s easy to ensure safety of competitors and to eject bad actors at a race (BC Commissaires are grumpy and scary even on a
good
day) but a Breeze ride is literally one volunteer meeting with a group of participants in a public place and very vulnerable.

Teateaandmoretea · 27/05/2023 14:45

BCCoach · 27/05/2023 14:12

I registered specifically to comment on this post having been a long time lurker. The new regulations are being broadly welcomed by coaches and volunteers who have had to keep their lips buttoned for so long.

There seem to be quite a few posters who believe this policy only applies at the elite level and not at grassroots. This is incorrect, it applies at all levels including youth (which starts at U6). There do seem to be a few exceptions:

Go-Ride. This is club youth riding (5-14) which is mixed anyway. There are specific Go-Ride races which are basically taster races for kids with fewer restrictions on equipment to keep entry barriers down. You don’t need a race licence to enter and results don’t count towards national youth rankings.
Go-Race. These are taster races for adults again with fewer restrictions/rules than a sanctioned race. You don’t need all licence and don’t win any points towards national ranking or advancing your category. There are in fact very few of these, mostly it seems to be summer cyclocross.
Breeze. These are led rides (either road or off-road) specifically for women interested in cycling for recreation, fitness and as a social activity rather than as a competitive sport. This is the area where I think that BC might have been bolder but I suspect they are trying to protect ride leaders as if the policy has been extended to Breeze I could quite easily see rides being targeted by TRAs.

The main takeaway is that all BC sanctioned races will now be ‘female’ or ‘open’ category. This includes all grassroots races including youth and junior (U6-U18) and adult cat 4 novice races, except for those specifically tagged as ‘Go-Ride’ or ‘Go-Race’. To get an idea of the type of races that will or won’t be covered by the policy you can search your local races here: https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events/home

Yeah, the papers seem to be equating Breeze with grassroots. As it’s non-competitive it’s completely different. I got one misunderstood this when it first came out yesterday.

I think banning TW from Breeze is completely unworkable anyway.

Teateaandmoretea · 27/05/2023 14:50

a Breeze ride is literally one volunteer meeting with a group of participants in a public place and very vulnerable.

But how would the Breeze leader be able to prove it either way?

I also think the narrative that TW are predators/ dangerous is unhelpful and starts to go too far. The Breeze ride leader is it a vulnerable person and estate agents etc are a lot more in danger.

I cycle and tbh riding with men can be a bit tedious due to them being more obsessed with speed ime. But some women are like that too. And some men aren’t like it. It’s the culture around the rides that matters I think rather than chromosomes.