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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Declining to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature

434 replies

HowDoIGetThisThingOff · 23/05/2023 13:11

It's finally happened, I've been "told" to put my preferred pronouns in my email signature at work.

I've emailed back saying my preference is that I don't do this. But I'm feeling a bit anxious 😬.

Please can I get some advice on what to say if they come back with questions or pressure to comply?

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8state · 23/05/2023 17:41

@ArabeIIaScott I am liking these!

CharlotteRumpling · 23/05/2023 17:43

MerlinsLostMarbles · 23/05/2023 17:30

Your options are
1- State your preferred pronouns. Everyone's happy.

2- Refuse to do so and launch into a hateful diatribe about transpeople when asked why. Fall out with your boss and colleagues and end up getting fired.

I have ignored the request from HR to provide my pronouns without explaining why, and not been fired.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 17:44

MerlinsLostMarbles · 23/05/2023 17:30

Your options are
1- State your preferred pronouns. Everyone's happy.

2- Refuse to do so and launch into a hateful diatribe about transpeople when asked why. Fall out with your boss and colleagues and end up getting fired.

I'm not happy, though, Merlin. Don't my feelings count?

TakeMeDancingNakedInTheRain · 23/05/2023 17:44

You could have fun and change it on a daily basis, they can't actually say anything as it'd be discrimination, we can all self identify, there's no rules to say you can't identify as something different everyday. You could work your way through the list, there are 100s.

willWillSmithsmith · 23/05/2023 17:45

skyfalldown · 23/05/2023 17:23

I include mine because I have a name most English people assume is masculine. Don't care whether someone else does it or not, up to them.

Thing is though does it matter? My name is unisex and I’ve been working since the seventies. Having a name that could be male and female has never caused any problems for decades yet suddenly my pronouns need to be advertised. Completely unnecessary.

8state · 23/05/2023 17:45

@FutureIsSlim No, sticking an s on the end of her is short changing women. Men get 3 different words, we get two with an after thought of an s on the end.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 17:46

8state · 23/05/2023 17:41

@ArabeIIaScott I am liking these!

Feel free to make up your own! Anything goes. Whatever supports you in feeling your best self. Be True to Your Self. Live, Laugh, Love. 😊

Actually, those would make a nice set.

live/laugh/love

willWillSmithsmith · 23/05/2023 17:46

TakeMeDancingNakedInTheRain · 23/05/2023 17:44

You could have fun and change it on a daily basis, they can't actually say anything as it'd be discrimination, we can all self identify, there's no rules to say you can't identify as something different everyday. You could work your way through the list, there are 100s.

I do love that especially if it causes inconvenience to others to have it altered daily.

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 17:46

Sex is real

gender is a social construct. Nobody is compelled to believe in gender.

if forced, I would say my pronouns were “I, Me and Mine”

if some people can use the third person plural, why can’t I use the first person singular?

identifyingasmrblobbytoday · 23/05/2023 17:46

Time40 · 23/05/2023 15:25

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

I don't care which pronouns anyone uses for me, so I don't have preferred pronouns. I can't magically make myself care, or produce some preferred pronouns from nowhere - I'd be lying if I said that I had some.

This.

Maireas · 23/05/2023 17:48

TrashyPanda · 23/05/2023 17:46

Sex is real

gender is a social construct. Nobody is compelled to believe in gender.

if forced, I would say my pronouns were “I, Me and Mine”

if some people can use the third person plural, why can’t I use the first person singular?

Ooh, I like it.

MzHz · 23/05/2023 17:48

DollyTrolly · 23/05/2023 15:29

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

Would you ask someone to put their marital status, religion, sexuality, or if they were pregnant on their email signature?

Or ethnicity. exactly.

Summertimesmile · 23/05/2023 17:48

DiscoBeat · 23/05/2023 16:51

I think preferring not to say what you prefer is a bit petty, to be honest. It's only so that people get it right.

Quite frankly I’m happy for people to hazard a guess that given my female name I’m a female. And if they think I’m a man that’s fine too. I actually couldn’t care enough

maltravers · 23/05/2023 17:49

I think Merlin should “Be Kind” and “inclusive and welcoming” to middle aged women, who are uncomfortable with pronouns. How about it Merlin? Or is it hell fire for us?

Magnoliasunrise · 23/05/2023 17:49

Don't be anxious just do a big eye roll and a massive sigh and say you are busy doing some ACTUAL WORK to answer

bewilderedhedgehog · 23/05/2023 17:49

I won't be using pronouns, but I like this phrase:

Call me anything, but don't call me late for my tea.....

MerlinsLostMarbles · 23/05/2023 17:49

maltravers · 23/05/2023 17:33

But everyone’s not happy Merlin - see the majority of the three above. We’ll make you do it or you get fired is somewhat authoritarian don’t you think?

Well if "being forced to use pronouns" was the worst thing about my job I'd consider myself very fortunate.

ImperfectAlf · 23/05/2023 17:50

Waitwhat23 · 23/05/2023 15:53

I haven't been asked to yet by my organisation but my answers will be -

'Women are already vulnerable to stereotype threat in the workplace so I will not be deliberately highlighting my protected characteristic in order to disadvantage myself'. (If I'm being polite)

Or

'I don't follow that particular belief system' (if I've had enough)

Or, if pushed, my pronouns are fuck/off

Maireas · 23/05/2023 17:51

Has anyone said it's the worst part of their job? It's certainly not mine by a long way. I'm not doing it though.

ArabeIIaScott · 23/05/2023 17:54

I think preferring not to say what you prefer is a bit petty, to be honest. It's only so that people get it right.

Refusing to mouth a religious mantra because I don't subscribe to that faith is 'petty'?

DrBlackbird · 23/05/2023 17:54

There is plenty of evidence that using female names in CVs disadvantages women. Similar bias would apply for emails pronouns spelling out your female sex.

Interesting that, if you’re aware of sex-based bias within the workplace, @Girlboss1989 that you are willing for women that you manage (assuming that you’re a manager from your username) to be disadvantaged by signalling their sex. Likewise, happy for the men that you manage to be advantaged by signalling their sex. That doesn’t feel particularly equitable.

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/four-ways-your-name-can-affect-your-job-prospects/

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1211286

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/63/5/318/229014?login=false

https://hbr.org/2020/03/research-to-reduce-gender-bias-anonymize-job-applications

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1018839203698

Four ways your name can affect your job prospects

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https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/four-ways-your-name-can-affect-your-job-prospects/

VeggieSalsa · 23/05/2023 17:56

Girlboss1989 · 23/05/2023 15:20

Why don't you just include whichever pronouns you want people to use for you?

I have my name. That’s how I would prefer you address me. You/yours is also acceptable. If I’m not there, call me what you want, I won’t know to be upset.

identifyingasmrblobbytoday · 23/05/2023 17:56

midgemadgemodge · 23/05/2023 16:03

@PermanentTemporary

I have worked with many cultures where neither they nor I knew each others sex for many months / years until we met face to face

No one ever indicated any concerns at being a default male

Sone of us ( just the females surprisingly) felt it liberating and it certainly made working together easier

Sex ms gender should be irrelevant in work and you really should go examine your conscious and unconscious bias if you feel it's important to you or anyone else

Harvard business school used to have some good resources

I agree. I have also ignored memos asking us to put pronouns in email signatures.

I'm female but I have a unisex name more commonly used for men.

Makes no difference to anyone in my line of work what my sex is. And as pronouns refer to gender which means fuck all these days, I don't wish to put something in my signature that I actively think is bullshit. I often get emails to Mr <surname> and I don't particularly care.

It's quite nice when I meet a male colleague in a meeting and see the shock on their face that I'm a woman.

PromisingMiddleagedWoman · 23/05/2023 17:56

Slight tangent but there’s a few older women at my work, close to retirement age, who’s email signatures contain whether they’re Mrs, Ms or Miss. No doubt as they view this as an important part of their identity and believe it’s worthy/useful to share with others

I do wonder if faux innocence and offering to do this as an alternative might work?! If they want to know how to address you adding Ms or whatever so they know you’re female would fully meet this goal.

But, of course, this is something that older women, rather than virtual signalling younger people do, so it likely wouldn’t be seen as an acceptable alternative.

doctorwhonerd · 23/05/2023 17:56

I would personally just put She/Her and call it a day. I get people who say that it doesn't matter what pronouns are used, gender is a social construct all that but I don't want to be referred to as He when I'm obviously a woman. I don't personally see an issue but that is just me - someone said why do they ask that if they don't ask marital status, sexuality etc. I think it's because those won't have to be used in daily work life whereas pronouns are used every day. Everyone has pronouns so you may as well let them know what yours are.