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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"To suggest that being trans requires a specific type of transition is to enforce a hierarchy that is ultimately elitist."

76 replies

WandaWomblesaurus · 22/05/2023 12:55

www.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/22/i-dont-feel-like-i-was-born-into-the-wrong-body-theres-not-a-right-or-wrong-way-to-be-trans

And just like that, the Guardian eats itself.

Some absolute blinders here.

Enjoy.

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BerryTrifle · 22/05/2023 13:02

Christ. Can't believe I wasted 5 mins of my lunch break on that pile of wank.

"I'm special and different and you wouldn't understand. Oh and my boobs look great in a crop top."

To be fair that does sound a bit like some of the self-appointed cool crowd I was at school with in the 90s 😂

Shelefttheweb · 22/05/2023 13:03

YABVU to read The Guardian

Saisong · 22/05/2023 13:05

I just can't even...

<sigh>

MrsPurchas · 22/05/2023 13:06

Delicious word salad nonsense.

It tastes like self obsession.

ethelredonagoodday · 22/05/2023 13:07

What a load of utter shite.

TheaBrandt · 22/05/2023 13:09

Skimmed it. Eyeliner seems to feature quite a lot. The self absorption is incredible. When do young people realise that no one actually cares. Except possibly your mum and dad.

PronounssheRa · 22/05/2023 13:10

What a load of self indulgent navel gazing twaddle.

MagpiePi · 22/05/2023 13:13

Yeah, crack on live.
All I hear is a toddler screaming ‘I’m the most special’

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 22/05/2023 13:14

If you saw this person in the Ladies, would you be alarmed ?

( unless thought they would started banging on, in which case……)

littleburn · 22/05/2023 13:18

TLDR: I am female, I wear clothes. I believe this makes me very special.

MapoTofuLettuce · 22/05/2023 13:23

At some point, someone is going to point out that this is essentially appropriating what it is to be trans. Female, likes her boobs in a crop top and yet is trans because [piffle]. It reminds me a bit of the trend a few years ago for straight people to announce they were queer.

I'm sure most people have read this brilliant essay https://aeon.co/essays/the-idea-that-gender-is-a-spectrum-is-a-new-gender-prison but it's worth reading if you haven't. Feels like we're going from defining non-binary in a way which basically includes everybody to defining trans in a way which includes everybody. You don't fit in a pink or blue box because nobody does- you are not simply a gender identity but a complex human being with a personality.

<p><em>Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty</em></p>

The idea that gender is a spectrum is a new gender prison | Aeon Essays

The idea that ‘gender is a spectrum’ is supposed to set us free. But it is both illogical and politically troubling

https://aeon.co/essays/the-idea-that-gender-is-a-spectrum-is-a-new-gender-prison

WarriorN · 22/05/2023 13:24

Sorry, can't read it.

My eyes are rolling around under the table.

zibzibara · 22/05/2023 13:24

I'm working on gently peaking my friend who already sees that non-binary is a load of nonsense, being a very gender non-conforming woman herself. Going to send her this article, thanks for linking!

Heliotroper · 22/05/2023 13:26

"To suggest that being trans requires a specific type of transition is to enforce a hierarchy that is ultimately elitist."

But no one is more special than me

ImFineThankYouSusan · 22/05/2023 13:28

She quotes Alok 'Little girls are kinky' Vaid-menon.

Her opinion is void.

Floisme · 22/05/2023 13:30

I think my old school magasine was a better read than the Guardian is now

inverness123 · 22/05/2023 13:35

I can be anything at any point. But also, if you use the wrong pronouns I’ll probably kill myself and it’ll be your fault.

Great.

What does she imagine so-called ‘cis’ people are? Because surely every person in the world is trans by her definition. Or is trans now just a label for people who think they are so special they need a special label to show how special they are, not like boring non-special people who deserve a boring cis label so every knows they are in the out-crowd and not the in-crowd. Because you can’t tell in other way.

Pixiedust1234 · 22/05/2023 13:38

Sorry, i stopped right at the beginning.

On most birth certificates, there is an M or F box ticked for newborn babies. So at the level of language, to be transgender means not aligning one’s own identity with that rigid box on an official document – and there was no non-binary option on mine.

They haven't the intelligence to realise M and F have no bearing on non binary. Its equivalent to saying ABC is same as 123. Its not.

KalimbaMoon · 22/05/2023 13:41

The sunlight is bright today. A woman, very happy in her female body, doesn’t like being put into an exclusively pink or blue gender box because she’s an interesting person. Well hello, aren’t we all! By Madison’s logic, we are all trans. This makes a mockery of the “most marginalised, most vulnerable” narrative - and I wonder if dysphoric trans people find it offensive when someone identifies into their group for shits and giggles.

The writing here, the celebration of this non-binaryness, really got me thinking of Shania Twain’s Man I Feel Like a Woman. I can see Madison doing all the things in that song.

  • Go totally crazy
  • Forget I’m a lady
  • Men’s shirts, short skirts
  • Colour my hair, do what I dare
  • Be free to feel the way I feel…
turbonerd · 22/05/2023 13:47

This bit is great. I might cross-stitch it onto something.
A bit long, but it was hard to know when to stop.

«Although I was once assigned female at birth, on days when I wear winged eyeliner and a crop top that makes my boobs look great, I am still non-binary. Medically transitioning, sometimes involving hormone therapy or surgical procedures, can constitute an integral part of a person’s journey of gender affirmation – but pursuing this process is not a prerequisite of being trans or non-binary, and does not determine the validity of anyone’s gender identity.»

A bit like this young lady, who hasnea a clue 😂😂😂

So … is it the winged eyeliner that is about to reveal something momentous here?

Datun · 22/05/2023 13:49

Navelgazing twits have always been around. But why the fuck is the Guardian trying to make everyone take them seriously.

FictionalCharacter · 22/05/2023 13:54

I feel a bit sorry for the young and easily led who have fallen for this twaddle. It’s by far the majority view amongst the young, so it’s hard for any young person to resist it. To be “cis” and “straight” is desperately unfashionable, so they’re falling over themselves to show that they’re not.

turbonerd · 22/05/2023 13:55

Sorry, can’t stop laughing.

Although I was ONCE assigned afab. 😂 like it was eons ago but now she has evolved 🤣

Dear reader, once upon a time I was assigned a letter at birth. Let us say X, to protect my privacy.
But I am a trailblazer, even if no-one can see it, though my winged eyeliner gives it away, for those in the know. For those not in the know, I will hint heavily - maybe even point it out for avoidance of doubt, because you must all know how trailblazing I am.
Cue Elton John’s The Trail We Blaze from Eldorado.
A magnificent film, Kevin Kline and Kenneth Branagh are really funny.
«we are both in barrels, that’s the extent of my knowledge»!

sorry, where was I?

oh yes. The special specialness and trailblazing winged eyeliner.
Let me gather my thoughts a moment, Eldorado has such cracking songs and I am now humming one I can’t recall the name of

And so it goes. Perhaps I should submit this to the Guardian?
I will flest it out with more detail, of course. Am on the phone.

Datun · 22/05/2023 14:00

My transness is not about feeling uncomfortable in my body; it is about feeling uncomfortable with the gender that was allocated to this body.

That's what feminism's for 🙄

RealityFan · 22/05/2023 14:19

WandaWomblesaurus · 22/05/2023 12:55

As if trans activism wasn't "have your cake and eat it, and anyone who doesn't like cake or the liking of cake is transphobic" bad enough, now the subject has "evolved" into "cake can be anything the cake eater wants it to be, the cake might not even be cake, but if you even discuss the finer points of cake, or whether cake is indeed cake, you're transphobic".

Or something.