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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/05/2023 12:54

Great article. Glosswitch is so perceptive.

Changeforachange · 19/05/2023 13:00

Great piece.
Thanks for sharing 👍

KalimbaMoon · 19/05/2023 14:45

Brilliant article.

Pudmyboy · 19/05/2023 17:21

Remember the joke about the male feminist who walks into a bar because it was set so low? Didn't know this joke but it is really perceptive!

IcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2023 18:14

Yes, men can accept tw as women because it costs them nothing. In fact, they gain from it. Just don't expect them to fuck them.

SpicyMoth · 19/05/2023 19:25

Lovely article, thanks for the thread on it!

nilsmousehammer · 19/05/2023 19:35

As the philosopher Clare Chambers warns, “If a category is removed before the oppression that creates it, the oppression stays in place but the ability to describe it is lost.” This is only a problem for members of the oppressed class, though.

Isn't that the truth?

I'm increasingly concerned though that no matter how carefully and repeatedly women try to explain this, we are talking to those who appear to have no capacity to hear or understand. Sturgeon being a prime example.

https://www.amazon.com/Intact-Defence-Unmodified-Clare-Chambers-ebook/dp/B0971ZW77D?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-4809460-starbucks-dad-solves-the-gender-wars

Transparent2 · 19/05/2023 21:41

IcakethereforeIam · 19/05/2023 18:14

Yes, men can accept tw as women because it costs them nothing. In fact, they gain from it. Just don't expect them to fuck them.

Really? Not my experience. And you can’t change sex.

AmuseBish · 19/05/2023 22:48

Brilliant. Really nails this thing that has been bothering me.

Women who, importantly, are pretty much the last people on earth who’d be morally disgusted by someone transgressing patriarchal gender conventions, and whose speech shows no empirically verifiable relationship with the kind of patriarchal violence directed at trans women. That is, accusations of transphobia are being directed against the group of people — women who have theoretical and political objections to the trans rights agenda — who are actually least likely to experience moral disgust over trans people’s gender expression, and this is being done for purely political reasons.

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