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Helen Webberley Gender GP urges Dr Hillary Cass to adopt WPATH standards of care

103 replies

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 17:38

https://www.gendergp.com/dr-helen-webberley-open-letter-dr-cass/

'the World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) has published their Standards of Care version 8.These give very clear and evidence-based recommendations on how to care for transgender people. These recommendations were jointly published by 130 international experts coming together to share their knowledge and expertise and having evaluated the research.
These should be immediately adopted to form the core standards of care that is provided in the UK rather than allow the current UK specialists, who did not take part in the development of these standards, to reestablish their own protocols and care pathways.
One of the allegations that the GMC made against me was that I had failed to follow WPATH guidance, and that of the Endocrine Society. These allegations were not found proved but during their determinations, the Tribunal found ‘that WPATHSOC7 has the status of peer-reviewed expert guidance.’ To not adopt this guidance puts our UK doctors at risk of criticism by their regulator.
The MPTS also found that the University of San Francisco and California (UCSF) Guidelines ‘had the status of peer-reviewed expert guidance’. It was, in other words, ‘the practice accepted as proper by a responsible body of medical men skilled in that particular art’.’ (Para 223)
The WPATH SOC8 and the Endocrine Society Guidelines 2017 and the UCSF Guidelines endorse the use of puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones* after having extensively reviewed the literature. I see absolutely no reason why you cannot recommend that UK clinicians adopt these excellent guidelines, and start providing care to these patients, today.'
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'by all means evaluate the data to inform future best practice, but do not withhold care pending your research programmes.'
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'you are ignoring adopted best practice from across the world. Trans children are dying, and something needs to be done. Today.'

*and also suggest treatment to affirm 'eunuch' gender.

Open Letter to Dr Cass

Dr Helen Webberley responds to Dr Cass' journal entry letter. She explains the potential harms Dr Cass' approach could have on young transgender people.

https://www.gendergp.com/dr-helen-webberley-open-letter-dr-cass

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NecessaryScene · 16/05/2023 20:54

I’d like an answer to that also. Anyone know?

I'm wondering if she has any heartbreaking stories of trans children who died because she failed to get to them in time.

Desperately injecting hormones into a collapsing body, but it was too late - the testosterone didn't work. The gender had gone.

Or maybe it's a threat? Every month Dr Cass fails to comply she will arrange for another one to die. "Their lives are in your hands, Dr Cass. I suggest you do as I say."

AlisonDonut · 16/05/2023 21:02

I heard, that Susie Green and Tara Hewitt of TENI were discussing, at the recent EPATH conference, how to offload Helen Webberley as she was a liability to Gender GP.

Perhaps this is their way of shoving her off a cliff?

AlisonDonut · 16/05/2023 21:06

https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/smuggling-hormones-to-irish-youth

And also how it was going to get into countries with national health services. Corinna Cohn's report on the event is in the link. Also worth a watch of the video after the event on the page.

Smuggling hormones to Irish youth

The plot by TENI and GenderGP to subvert the HSE

https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/smuggling-hormones-to-irish-youth

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 21:13

Every month Dr Cass fails to comply she will arrange for another one to die. "Their lives are in your hands, Dr Cass. I suggest you do as I say."

Shock
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SidewaysOtter · 16/05/2023 21:34

Who and where are all these dying people?

RealityFan · 16/05/2023 21:35

SidewaysOtter · 16/05/2023 21:34

Who and where are all these dying people?

If they're not in her imagination, they're in her projection. And effectively in her threat to us.

nilsmousehammer · 16/05/2023 21:43

Where are these dying children? Where's the evidence? The statistics? Why is this not all over the newspapers? Why is this absolute horror not known about?

And why is the only answer to this terrible situation the experimental options that Europe is increasingly backing away from in concern? Where are the other less invasive and harmful treatment options and why aren't the government urgently measuring success and progress under those less harmful options at least in terms of preserving life?

If extremely serious claims like this are going to be made then evidence has got to be provided and transparency involved, otherwise people are going to start to wonder wtf is going on here.

Hepwo · 16/05/2023 21:46

the University of San Francisco and California (UCSF) Guidelines ‘had the status of peer-reviewed expert guidance’.

This is the university where Riley Gaines was assaulted and held hostage by a crazed mob of activists who eventually asked for 10 dollars each to let her get out of the office she was trapped in by them.

Sure thing, let's do what they want huh?

Children do not need puberty blockers and hormones! It's madness.

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 21:49

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2023 20:19

She's touting for business.

She knows this will give her publicity.

It's incredibly cynical and fuck all to do with Dr Cass. It's a marketing strategy.

Yes, this is bang on. Wondering if it's actually unhelpful to share it, now.

All I hope is that in the long run, all of this cynical grift is uncovered and those who manipulate the system for their own gain are held to account.

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LizzieSiddal · 16/05/2023 21:55

I can’t believe the audacity of that woman. She’ll get her comeuppance one day.

Pudmyboy · 16/05/2023 22:04

bellac11 · 16/05/2023 20:16

In what way are trans children dying.

Exactly my thoughts @bellac11 !

TheBiologyStupid · 16/05/2023 22:04

Myalternate · 16/05/2023 20:34

I’d like an answer to that also. Anyone know?

Well, one died in the cohort that the Dutch Protocol team were following...!

TheBiologyStupid · 16/05/2023 22:10

Adding extract and citation:

The results after surgery exclude eight patients who refused to participate in the follow-up or were ineligible for surgery, and one patient killed by necrotizing fasciitis during vaginoplasty. The authors did not mention the fact that this death was a consequence of puberty suppression: the patient’s penis, prevented from developing normally, was too small for the regular vaginoplasty and so surgery was attempted with a portion of the intestine, which became infected (Negenborn et al., Citation2017). A fatality rate exceeding 1% would surely halt any other experimental treatment on healthy teenagers.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2022.2121238

BonfireLady · 16/05/2023 22:25

In what way are trans children dying

I found the Swedish documentary "Trans Train" really helpful and really sensitively handled on this point. The headline was that nobody had committed suicide while on the waiting list for care at the national (and only) gender clinic. This is obviously a positive result and I don't think anyone would dispute that. They also explored other aspects of adolescent gender care, in a sensitive and open way. It's a great documentary - I can't remember if it's in 2 or 3 parts. It's partly in English and partly in Swedish with subtitles.

I personally have no doubt that gender dysphoria exists (there will be some on here who agree, some who don't) but it's not clear that the current way of treating children is helping their over all and long term mental health. The Swedes, Hannah Barnes' book Time to Think and Dr Cass are all calling this out.

Datun · 16/05/2023 22:33

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2023 20:19

She's touting for business.

She knows this will give her publicity.

It's incredibly cynical and fuck all to do with Dr Cass. It's a marketing strategy.

This.

She's being her own billboard 😁

Datun · 16/05/2023 22:34

Also, those WPATH guidelines? Would those be the ones that linked to a eunuch fetish site involving minors?

ArabeIIaScott · 16/05/2023 23:02

Datun · 16/05/2023 22:34

Also, those WPATH guidelines? Would those be the ones that linked to a eunuch fetish site involving minors?

Yes. That NHS Scotland have since said they don't base their care guidelines on, just use them for reference.

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PriOn1 · 17/05/2023 05:26

AlisonDonut · 16/05/2023 21:02

I heard, that Susie Green and Tara Hewitt of TENI were discussing, at the recent EPATH conference, how to offload Helen Webberley as she was a liability to Gender GP.

Perhaps this is their way of shoving her off a cliff?

Eh?

Surely Webberley IS Gender GP?

And Susie Green only just moved there.

And of course, the lovely T. Hewitt, who actively talks to the NHS about placing cross dressers on women’s wards.

AlisonDonut · 17/05/2023 09:06

PriOn1 · 17/05/2023 05:26

Eh?

Surely Webberley IS Gender GP?

And Susie Green only just moved there.

And of course, the lovely T. Hewitt, who actively talks to the NHS about placing cross dressers on women’s wards.

Exactly. Susie Green isn't the type to be managed!

Bosky · 19/05/2023 03:49

Webberley needs to be reported to the GMC again for this. She's demented!

Her photo reminded me of this:

The Adverts Gary Gilmore's Eyes Live @ Top Of The Pops 1977

Helen Webberley Gender GP urges Dr Hillary Cass to adopt WPATH standards of care
SinnerBoy · 19/05/2023 04:45

JacquelinePot · 16/05/2023 18:45

...Standards of Care version 8.These give very clear and evidence-based recommendation...

Yes, that stood out for me, too. She's gone a bit Humpty-Dumpty there, I feel; she actually means: "wishy-washy, emotive, badly researched, poorly recorded anecdata, which doesn't stand up to statistical analysis recommendation."

Strange, no?

Signalbox · 19/05/2023 08:40

Hagosaurus · 16/05/2023 18:26

Good God, does she think no one else reads the research?

It is compelling Helen, just not in the way you’d like it to be.

One has to wonder if she’s read the research. How this woman became a Dr and a GP is anyone’s guess.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/05/2023 09:36

Signalbox · 19/05/2023 08:40

One has to wonder if she’s read the research. How this woman became a Dr and a GP is anyone’s guess.

Doctors are actually really easy to co-opt into magical thinking of various sorts (speaking as one myself). They are often over-confident about their ability to analyse and be objective, and they lack insight into their cognitive biases.

Also, most of them (not all!) are genuinely motivated by a desire to help people, but they are prone to convincing themselves that something that they want to do is essential to help patients, whether or not this is actually true. So they reframe their professional desires as being entirely patient-focused. Pharma companies use this all the time: convince doctors that some new wonder drug is essential for patient care (gloss over the fact that it only actually delivers a 0.001% advantage over the standard, cheaper treatment), and then stand back as doctors then do all the work of demanding funding for that drug. Doctors are easily co-opted by anyone offering them the chance to be a saviour - the heroic campaigner, not the boring old bureaucrat, who asks where the funding is coming from.

This is a huge part of why doctors have supported transitioning of children. The great majority of gender doctors in the UK (though not HW) work in the NHS and make no money from the service. They aren't doing it for the money - they are doing it to scratch their saviour complex itch and because they have convinced themselves it is right.

ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 09:38

https://davidrobson.me/books/the-intelligence-trap/

'We assume that smarter people are less prone to error. But greater education and expertise can often amplify our mistakes while rendering us blind to our biases. This is the ‘intelligence trap’.'

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ArabeIIaScott · 19/05/2023 09:40

That's a really interesting insight, MissLucy. Do you think Webberly is doing it for the saviour complex, or money, or both?

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