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SockGoddess · 07/05/2023 14:49

This kind of thing is the inevitable progression of trans ideology, and we're also seeing it with the trans-age, trans-disabled etc stories coming out more and more.

If you can insist that you are something that you're not (i.e. the opposite sex) and other people can be forced to agree that you are and treat you as if you are, and you can demand "medical treatment" to make you more like that thing, then we're already in a ridiculous, nonsensical situation. It then makes no sense for it to only apply to sex - certain types of people, whether gullible, predatory, narcissistic, misinformed, profit-seeking or whatever - will then seek to apply the same logic to everything else, and that's what's happening.

Ultimately we have physical bodies and physical realities and in most cases, trying to change them to be what we would like to be has drawbacks and tends not to work very well, or at all. Likewise not changing anything but passing laws that other people have to agree that you are something you're not, is going to be problematic in numerous ways. Lots of people have been conned or shamed into thinking it's somehow magically true for sex/"gender", but the more it spreads, the more obviously it's nonsense.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/05/2023 14:50

NotBadConsidering · 07/05/2023 14:39

Jeezus fuck…

When are people going to realise that life is hard? It’s supposed to be hard. It’s an essential trait of human existence that is result of our evolution. Every single human on the planet has to overcome something, be that a physical trait they’d change, a life experience, whatever it may be. It’s bloody universal FFS. Even people born wealthy or privileged still have shit going on in their lives, because that’s what humans do. Show me a person who is completely happy, completely content with their body and completely missing any negative experiences in their lives they’ve had to overcome and I’ll show you a liar.

Just because you don’t like your height it doesn’t mean you have a dysphoria. Just because you’re worried about something it doesn’t mean you have an anxiety disorder. Just because you don’t like being around people it doesn’t mean you’re on the autism spectrum. Just because you like things done in a particular way doesn’t mean you have OCD. And so on. This endless need in young people to have a label, and talk about the label, and build their entire existence on that label is so detrimental to society as a whole, not to mention undermining of those with genuine deep-seated mental health issues.

What these people are experiencing is normal modern day human existence and they think they’re discovering and inventing thinks at the same rate and magnitude of Thomas bloody Edison FFS, instead of actually living their lives.

YOU’RE NOT FUCKING SPECIAL. DEAL WITH IT. Life will become so much more enjoyable if you make peace with the fact you’re no different to anyone else.

MN we need a Like button

SockGoddess · 07/05/2023 14:54

And the utter circular daftness of applying "height dysphoria" extra-specially to trans people because they're likely to be out of the typical height range for their assumed gender identity... well duh.

I thought they were always claiming that trans people have brains more like the brains of the gender they identify as. I mean I know that's a very ill-founded claim anyway, but genderists use it as a validation for people being "really" or provably trans. So in that case, if brains count, why doesn't the rest of the body? Brains are physical, and any measurements you claim to make using MRI are physical. You might as well say that having a height like that of your desired gender makes you trans.

waterlego · 07/05/2023 15:09

Everything Chris is quoted as saying in this article just sounds a lot like a toddler having a tantrum. ‘Waaaah, it’s so unfair that people don’t see me the way I want to be seen’ (Even though I don’t really look like the thing I want to look like because I am not actually that thing).

It’s fucking absurd. I honestly think it is much kinder not to validate and affirm these people’s delusions.

You might be able to persuade a small number of people that you really are the opposite sex, but the vast majority of people are not going to buy it. Best thing they can do is stop navel gazing and go and DO something with their lives FFS.

SockGoddess · 07/05/2023 15:16

And another thing! It's so bloody rude to imply that "height dysphoria" or struggling with your height, is so terrible for trans people and not a single thought for other people who might struggle with their feelings or with how society sees them, because of medical conditions that put them at an even greater remove from the average – and often give them health conditions to manage as well. Hormonal and genetic conditions, war and other injuries and amputations. And yet people with those kinds of conditions have actually made a lot of progress in fighting for acceptance and self-acceptance, of the bodies they have, and for them to be seen as part of the range of normal. While the trans lobby tries to make a big thing out of being sad that your height is "wrong" and that people seeing what height you actually are is "invalidating". I mean Hmm

IcakethereforeIam · 07/05/2023 16:27

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/05/2023 14:50

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Justme56 · 07/05/2023 17:01

Didn’t Leo the Swedish child who suffered with so many medical issues as a result of puberty blockers stop growing? Sure I read that somewhere.

ArabeIIaScott · 07/05/2023 18:01

ApocalipstickNow · 07/05/2023 07:34

Quite possibly.

There seems to be a move to pathologise ordinary, universal but distressing feelings.

There seems to be this idea (maybe party because of social media) that any life that isn’t wholly happy and fulfilling = a condition that needs dealing with, usually with therapy or medication.

But most people are somewhere in the middle of how they feel about themselves, their jobs, their families, friends, bodies etc and that will change at different points in time. Anger, sadness, even fear are normal- when they are out of control it is a problem but not feeling “super awesome” about oneself all the time is part of the human condition and accepting that can help move into a happier existence.

There’s this blurred edge between serious conditions and ordinary crap times all mixed up with more pressure to look a certain way, feel a certain way and it seems to be making people catastrophise about things that do not need fixing.

Im not putting this very eloquently but I hope it’s understandable.

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'The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation'

ArabeIIaScott · 07/05/2023 18:04

Or the buddhists' first noble truth: suffering exists.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/05/2023 18:22

Life's a bitch and then you die.

1WomanWonder · 07/05/2023 21:22

I have been passing as 5 feet 2 inches my whole adult life but I am actually 5 feet and 1.25 inches. Suckers.

bellac11 · 07/05/2023 21:40

ApocalipstickNow · 07/05/2023 07:34

Quite possibly.

There seems to be a move to pathologise ordinary, universal but distressing feelings.

There seems to be this idea (maybe party because of social media) that any life that isn’t wholly happy and fulfilling = a condition that needs dealing with, usually with therapy or medication.

But most people are somewhere in the middle of how they feel about themselves, their jobs, their families, friends, bodies etc and that will change at different points in time. Anger, sadness, even fear are normal- when they are out of control it is a problem but not feeling “super awesome” about oneself all the time is part of the human condition and accepting that can help move into a happier existence.

There’s this blurred edge between serious conditions and ordinary crap times all mixed up with more pressure to look a certain way, feel a certain way and it seems to be making people catastrophise about things that do not need fixing.

Im not putting this very eloquently but I hope it’s understandable.

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Totally understandable. I talk about this a lot on lots of threads. Normally ignored

No one wants to hear it, everyone wants a special diagnosis or treatment.

polkadotdalmation · 07/05/2023 21:53

Do you think if I identify as 5'7, I'd be able to have hormone and bone implants on the NHS? I'm tired of being 4'11.

Ariela · 07/05/2023 23:00

Being a shortie, and older, all the youth of today are masses taller. Definitely in the wrong height body nowadays - had to ask for help to reach top shelf in supermarket!

Fukuraptor · 08/05/2023 05:38

I was having a health check with a nurse last week and asked why they always check my height (which I think of as fixed) as well as my weight (very variable!) She said they like to have a record of it over time as it can be an indication of Osteoporosis and other conditions as we age.

Another reason transmen may be shorter than average if bone health affects height.

Redebs · 08/05/2023 05:54

Bluddy mirrors, being all 'super invalidating'

How DARE they make us see ourselves as we really are.

FlowersFlowersEverywhere · 08/05/2023 06:02

Honestly, nothing a good slap to stop him disappearing up his own arse and some proper priorities wouldn’t sort…..

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