Joanna is superb on this podcast. However, best bit is towards the end when two journalists say they are too scared to talk about gender issues and just avoid it. One does say he's scared about what his daughters are being taught in (Scottish) schools. Hope link works
https://podfollow.com/1673972192/episode/de3c08333fac198df5bd457575ef9f83f9e6e40f/view