Work Endometriosis awareness event, no 'cis gendered' males permitted

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Wtaf? So male bodied people can attend a female issue awareness event as long as the aren't 'cis' how does this make any sense?

Context is DH has had this invite through from his work place. Thought it would be good to attend as he is a manager and likes to understand as much as he can about different things people may be dealing with in life.

But he can't go, because he is 'cis'

This is discrimination surely?

Maybe they are clumsily trying to say that trans men - who might suffer from the condition - could come?

Are they trying to help sufferers with what might be causing them pain and give them a safe space to talk in? Or does ‘awareness’ mean educating others without the condition to be more sympathetic/helpful? I guess their aims will impact on who they want to invite. If the former, your DH might be better off with an internet search to get his information?

Maybe organisers are trying to avoid any embarrassment to women that having a man in the room might cause when discussing a womens ailment?
Just a guess though.
Surely though, your husband wouldn't want women to feel awkward at his presence?

Or maybe just email the organiser, asking for information that might help managers understand and be supportive?

I'm as critical as the next person, but it's pretty clear OP that the event is worded that way to encourage trans men to attend (as they may still suffer endometriosis) - I don't think and male bodied people should be there, is the point.

That* (not and)

Well my DH could go because he’s biologically male but definitely not cis 🤷🏻‍♀️

He wouldn’t if it was meant to be female only, because of course he wouldn’t, but under that criteria he could technically attend. This is where the problem lies. There’s a big difference between a supportive group of women talking about their experiences and an informative session to help workers of both sexes support their colleagues. But under the stated criteria of course males can tend because cis is made up nonsense.

Trans men are biological females. Based on the OP it appears trans women are allowed, but they are biological men.

OP is asking why some biological men are allowed and some aren't.

*biological males, not men.

Where in OPs post is there evidence that trans women are attending, please? All we've been told is that OP and her husband have been told that he can't go?

Conversely, if the criteria is cis women, then I would not be able to attend as I am not that, despite being female, middle aged and fast approaching menopause.

I did attend a menopause awareness session work recently and was very happy to see lots of references to women and female; not once as the term cis or anything approaching ‘identifies as’ bandied about. Very pleasantly surprised

I think they’re actually trying to exclude all members of the biological male sex, so that women can have a comfortable environment to talk about a female only problem.

I really admire that your DH wants to know more about how to support his female staff though. I’m sure he could contact the organisers and come up with something for men too, some sort of awareness session for managers or similar.

This. It's obviously intended for biological females (which may include trans men).

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So why do they say "cis-gendered" males are not permitted rather than just plain old "males not permitted".
It's a crock and implies- intentionally or not, that other gendered males will be permitted, like cat gendered males or womanly gendered males.

And as OP states, her DH isn't cis-gendered because you can only be cis-gendered if you believe in gender ideology. So her DH should in that case be permitted.
They're assuming his gender. It's discrimination.

To try to make it clear that women who want to be seen as/thought of as men (trans men) are welcome, but actual men are not. If it just said ‘males not permitted’ then women who identify as men (trans men) could feel excluded.

Her husband has been called cis and therefore not alowed. This usually means that trans women are allowed.

People are only called cis to seperate them from trans.

But they're not male and they know it themselves otherwise they wouldn't be transmen.

"Females of all genders permitted only" is inclusive of all types of female and is clear enough.

Ok well if that’s op’s husband’s issue then he should contact the organisers and ask them to make it very clear that only natal females will be permitted.

It comes across like his problem is more that he, a man, is not permitted to attend. I am not into the whole trans movement and am the first to speak out against women being able to access female only spaces, but the issue here does not seem to be men pretending to be women or identifying as trans to access this event - it is a natal male who wants to access it and cannot, for obvious reasons.

No, it's about the fact that they've said 'cis' men cannot attend.

This means trans women can attend even though male bodied.

This makes no sense for a woman only even no? I would completely understand if it were females only for an Endometriosis support session. But this is a company wide awareness session.

The way they've worded it is surely discrimination based on gender?

The issue was perfectly clear to me op. Lots of naive responses, applying logic that what they really mean is women only. Tsk! Anyone who's been here any length of time knows that they will be too afraid to say that, so have given some mangled wording which leaves them open to this being a mixed sex event.

Yeah transwomen should also be excluded.
’This event is for women, transmen and non-binary persons of female sex.’

Ah, I'd rather not have my male boss sitting in listening to women talking about the effects of endometriosis. Even less so if he'd be likely to actually start talking. Same way I wouldn't want him in a session that addressed vaginal atrophy, lack of physical response or trauma from gynaecological procedures.

The bitching about how it's not fair to him confirms why he shouldn't be there, imo.

They can send him a copy of the PowerPoint or Google is always available to him.

Well with some of the women that go on and on, on here, this is exactly what they would want and the kind of people they are pandering to

Well why doesn’t your husband, who is so interested in this event, contact them to confirm that only female sex employees are welcome? Then he can ascertain whether it is discrimination or just poor wording.

I completely agree with you. What about men who might have staff or someone affected by this. Also don't expect men to empathise if you don't want them to have 'awareness'. You can't have it both ways