Work Endometriosis awareness event, no 'cis gendered' males permitted

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Wtaf? So male bodied people can attend a female issue awareness event as long as the aren't 'cis' how does this make any sense?

Context is DH has had this invite through from his work place. Thought it would be good to attend as he is a manager and likes to understand as much as he can about different things people may be dealing with in life.

But he can't go, because he is 'cis'

This is discrimination surely?

I don't think it's intended to be inclusive of trans women, but since trans women have joined breastfeeding and miscarriage support groups for shits and giggles, it only takes one weirdo to ignore the obvious subtext that this is NOT FOR THEM and the whole event is compromised.

I think 'cis' men should go to these female awareness events. A lot of ignorance over issues like endometriosis isn't coming from women.

Presumably anyone who wants to attend can just identify as female for the day...

AGP affected TW are well known to be sexually obsessed with female reproductive biology. The wording shows they are categorically not interested in excluding these people. It's very naïve to think this type of situation wouldn't be exploited by certain types.

If it's supposed to be for the demographic group which gets endometriosis, then in the old language it would be for women.

In the new 1984s language it should then be for
'cisgender women'
'transgender men'
and
'non-binary people assigned female at birth'

So we have lost all clarity.

We have also been forced to accept lies such as every single person has a gendered soul (the idea that 'cis' is a thing requires you to have a floating gender identity not based on your sex) and that someone 'assigns' a sex or gender to you at birth.

And if you think of the relative percentages of people in those three new categories, almost everyone is now crammed into the cissy one. The other two are perhaps at most 0.6%. There's this incredible lack of any respect towards the vast majority of female people: Doesn't matter if they understand what's going on at all.

Oh, and (😬)cis is nonsense and it shouldn’t be presumed everyone accepts it’s usage and I think your DH would be discriminated against on the basis of sex, not gender, as gender isn’t a protected characteristic unless it’s as part of “gender reassignment”.

The only thing I was assigned at birth was a pair of knitted pink socks. I've got a uterus, but it wasn't assigned, it came factory fitted. So is the session for me, or not?

I mean, technically that should get zero attendees, because the number of people who were assigned female at birth is zero.

"factory fitted" 😂 that's tickled me

Male manager wanting to get insight into women's issues: not allowed in.

The creepy employee who wants everyone to pretend he's a woman: allowed in.

All those men pretending to be women, suffering endometriosis…must be so tedious working with such delusional people.

This

Did Google stop working? Why is this their only chance to learn about it?

If I was suffering from endo quite frankly I'd rather have OP's husband - an openly sympathetic ally - attending than somebody who wants to pretend-play about sharing in a rather horrible medical condition that will never affect them.

This.

A good summary I reckon of where we are at generally these days, unfortunately

I think I would too

This in a nutshell.

This is what comes of allowing language to be mangled to the point of incomprehension.

Who suffers from endometriosis? Women. Once upon a time it would have been enough to say “this is a women-only event” and while you might have had the odd MRA type whinging about discrimination, the EA allows for this kind of sex-based discrimination if it’s a proportionate response to a need.

Now it’s just word salad. “Cis” is made-up bullshit that is meaningless to many. “AFAB” is factually incorrect for 99%+ of people whose sex is observed at birth, not assigned. “People with a uterus” is a dehumanising reduction to body parts. And why? All to coddle the feelings of a tiny minority who either can’t cope with reality or have found a new way to oppress women and control whether and how we speak.

I have sympathy for any young woman who chooses to identify out of today’s porn-soaked, male-gaze-filtered idea of “womanhood” - but she still has to recognise the importance of her female biology when it comes to healthcare, and understand that “women-only” events include her when it’s about medical conditions. I have no sympathy for the middle-aged male fetishists getting a kick out of colonising female spaces and they can fuck off out of such events and such spaces. But we need to get back to language fulfilling its purpose of having a clear and shared common understanding. This thread proves that we’ve lost that when it comes to talking about important medical matters, and in certain situations - perhaps not this one, but definitely others (who attends smear tests, for example?) people will die if we don’t sort out the mangling of language.

Well put.

I have no idea what cis means. Not sure if my dh would either.

I think your husband should cloud the purpose is o raise awareness or to be a space for support.

If it's raising awareness then everyone should attend with no one excluded. As you said how can a male manager support his staff's medical needs if excluded from the raising awareness event ffs

This.

it’s crazy!

Can imagine a lot of men scratching heads going "am I Cis?"

It seems defeating the point. Raising awareness would be more effective & most important to introduce it to people who do not have that biological experiences.

There are cases of biological men getting endometriosis only 7 recorded but as a benign cancer it's not technically a women's disease.

Give men oestrogen and it can happen.