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Some contrapoint quotes.

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PurpleBugz · 26/04/2023 23:26

https://twitter.com/dunn_dufault4/status/1651307344213442588?s=46

Just wanted to share this.

Dunno if I linked this right. The bit I found interesting was from about 46mins-54min or something.

I discovered contrapoint from witch trials of JKR podcast. So watched this video when it popped up on my Twitter feed.

To quote (I typed as he spoke so don't hold me to the exact accuracy). "there is a certain level of delusion that often accompanies the early stages of transition and I do think it's unfortunate that 90% of people being very vocal about being trans will be people in that stage ..... [you move on with you life] ...leaves you with this unfortunate situation where the people talking about trans don't really know what they are talking about "

"I've learned what transitioning actually means, what is possible, what is not possible......I feel like there was a kind of mania almost that prompts the start of transition where you sort of think that anything is possible ... I feel like now there's a sort of disillusionment that sets in a few years in where you realise the things that hormones are gonna change have changed and at this point you know you've kind of ruined your life. You've ruined your life as it was, your relationship to your family is irreparable.. you have socially started over and you have to deal with the fact that no you will never be a cis person of the gender you identify with and so you are stuck in this very difficult existence.... I just feel very negative about being trans lately ..... I don't wanna be trans it sucks....I feel like I'm stuck with it. Defying the established social order is hard. Violating the most basic categories of human society has negative consequences. You learn that a lot of people are really shallow. You learn to cope"

I feel so sorry for this person to feel this way. I am struck they choose to use the word violate here. And I think if this is all learned post transition how could there have been informed consent?

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Whaeanui · 27/04/2023 09:37

and at this point you know you've kind of ruined your life

That is really really sad. I think that there is little honesty around what hormones and surgeries can actually do and feel for people who entered the process without actually being aware of everything. I hope that person is able to find a way to live and be happy.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 10:00

Interesting quote, thanks for sharing.

Given the nastiness this person has displayed towards many women, my sympathy supply is not overflowing, tbh.

Whaeanui · 27/04/2023 10:03

Oh have they? I’ve missed that. Deeply unhappy people tend to take out their anger on someone don’t they.

Hagosaurus · 27/04/2023 10:05

All supported by TWAW and TMAM. Lying is not kind and doesn’t help

AmuseBish · 27/04/2023 10:06

Just for context for people who don't know, "ContraPoints" is the social media name of Natalie Wynn, a YouTuber trans woman who makes lots of videos about politics, trans etc (usually in more depth than 'most' youtubers)

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PurpleBugz · 27/04/2023 10:07

AmuseBish · 27/04/2023 10:06

Just for context for people who don't know, "ContraPoints" is the social media name of Natalie Wynn, a YouTuber trans woman who makes lots of videos about politics, trans etc (usually in more depth than 'most' youtubers)

Thanks for that. I should have referenced better. My spelling always lets me down.

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Helleofabore · 27/04/2023 10:08

That is interesting to read. But I agree with Arabella, this person has contributed too much for me to feel much more beyond interest.

I suggest we wait and see.

Cherrywoo · 27/04/2023 10:08

There is a transman (Scott someone, can’t remember the last name!) discussing this and wondering if this is why there’s a peak in trans suicides several years after gender surgery.

Iirc it was said that no amount of surgery can change the sex of a person, and that plus likely complications of the surgery (if not complications then general lack of success), leading to great dissatisfaction, which often can’t be talked about easily in this culture of positivity around transitioning, and the silencing and bullying of dissenting voices.

Cherrywoo · 27/04/2023 10:09

Scott Newgent.

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 10:14

The main point that is important, I think is:

90% of people being very vocal about being trans will be people in that stage ..... [you move on with you life] ...leaves you with this unfortunate situation where the people talking about trans don't really know what they are talking about

WandaWomblesaurus · 27/04/2023 10:18

Contrapoints crying on that podcast and saying they still care about what JKR thinks reminded me of a child wanting approval from a beloved teacher or parent.

So many of these young people have been duped and sold a lie which they themselves then have to resell and package and smile through.

Hagosaurus · 27/04/2023 10:18

I’ve also seen suggestions that trans people often continue to have more surgeries. It’s almost as if the ‘planning the next step’ is a critical part of the identity for some people - until it comes crashing down.

Curious about how the trans suicide stats stack up against the suicide stats for those kids who say they are trans but aren’t allowed treatment - we’re always told that number is high (justifying puberty blockers etc) but I think also discredited. Makes me wonder if actually treatment is, for some people, more dangerous

Helleofabore · 27/04/2023 10:19

Cherrywoo · 27/04/2023 10:08

There is a transman (Scott someone, can’t remember the last name!) discussing this and wondering if this is why there’s a peak in trans suicides several years after gender surgery.

Iirc it was said that no amount of surgery can change the sex of a person, and that plus likely complications of the surgery (if not complications then general lack of success), leading to great dissatisfaction, which often can’t be talked about easily in this culture of positivity around transitioning, and the silencing and bullying of dissenting voices.

Yes. If you read clinicians debunking the suicide myth used to push through treatment, they have been very clear that current treatment paths do not reduce suicide ideation or suicides in reality because this phase that this influencer is discussing. Where they realise they will never be just like the sex they want to be, and that from multiple sources they feel like they have been sold an unattainable dream. or their issues were based on untreated comorbidities.

MrGHardy · 27/04/2023 10:21

Wait.

Contrapoints is finally getting it?

FisherthemsFriend · 27/04/2023 10:21

I think CP inspired many others to transition, whether that was their intention or not.

Circumferences · 27/04/2023 10:23

Contrapoints has done so much harm to the women's rights movement, has been a forerunner and huge influencer in all that's wrong with extreme gender ideology.
I'm really not surprised that deep down they seem to feel a bit of remorse, but entirely for themself of course.

Helleofabore · 27/04/2023 10:24

It is the continuation of selling the dream that is a huge issue.

I remember Benji who was one of the first I heard discuss it. She was very clear. She told us that if she started to question the ‘dream’ even between friends who were trans, there was an immediate denial and withdrawal of friendship or ejection from groups.

This aspect is usually overlooked by those who are extreme activist posters on this board.

EdgeOfACoin · 27/04/2023 10:24

I was reading the transcript over on Kiwi Farms earlier today where Jackie Green reacts to Kellie-Jay's critique of Susie Green's TED talk. At one point Jackie says:

But like, honestly, I didn’t want to revert, I don’t want to go backwards. I’m getting closer and closer to the finish line, bitch. Jesus.

I just wondered - what finish line?

This is it, Jackie. You've got the hormones. You've had the surgery. You've made it. You're 30, or close to it, and no longer a 'trans kid'. You're living the dream, right? The finish line is behind you.

Same with the I Am Jazz TV show. The producers don't know what to do with it now. Jazz has transitioned and is struggling to find love and to find a place in the world.

At what point will Jackie and Jazz realise that Transition has not delivered them the everlasting peace and joy they were promised? Seems as though this fact is starting to dawn on Contrapoints.

Helleofabore · 27/04/2023 10:25

They are certainly brave though in saying this. They have a huge following.

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2023 10:25

Is the whole shit show starting to finally unravel?

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PurpleBugz · 27/04/2023 10:29

FisherthemsFriend · 27/04/2023 10:21

I think CP inspired many others to transition, whether that was their intention or not.

That's why I'm so interested in these comments from CP. I think those considering transition should know this stuff but clearly there is this euphoria phase and that all those considering transition have been seeing up till now. Hopefully this is now changing

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heathspeedwell · 27/04/2023 10:30

One of the problems is that well-meaning but foolish people make things worse by pretending that transwomen pass. It's vanishingly rare for men to pass as women, even if they do have surgery. It's just setting them up for failure.

I happened to bump into a transwoman who is quite well known for being a 'model' and who has been very open about having spent tens of thousands on facial surgery. My first thought on seeing this person was that it was a man in drag. Then I realised who it was, and how much the photos I had seen of this person must have been edited.

No surgery is going to change the hip to shoulder ratio, the big hands and feet, the Adam's apple etc. It's cruel to lie to people.

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2023 10:31

Most people through growing up and frequently being told NO learn to manage their expectations of what is possible or not. even then depression is high in the general population.

Take a group that is, it appears, already suffering with mental health issues, pump them full of drugs and slice bits of their healthy body off whilst promising them this will make their lives full of euphoric joy. Can you Imagine how badly these people must crash when they finally realise it's all a con?

It must worsen rather than improve the vast majority of people's mental health surely.

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2023 10:33

Them add in the guilt associated with realising you encouraged other people to go on the same journey to the end of a non existent bloody rainbow!

MavisMcMinty · 27/04/2023 10:33

I just wondered - what finish line?

Excellent question, @EdgeOfACoin .

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