Oxford students call for feminist Kathleen Stock to be no-platformed at Union over trans views

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Oxford University students have called for the gender-critical feminist Kathleen Stock to be no-platformed in “solidarity with the trans community”.

The university’s LGBTQ+ society has urged the Oxford Union to rescind its “misguided” invitation to the academic, who is scheduled to speak about her views on gender identity theory at the end of May.

In a statement posted on social media, the LGBTQ+ society said it was “dismayed and appalled” that the historic debating society had “decided to platform the transphobic and trans exclusionary speaker Kathleen Stock”.
It accused the union of “disregarding the welfare of its LGBTQ+ members under the guise of free speech”.

Oxford students call for feminist Kathleen Stock to be no-platformed at Union over trans views (yahoo.com)

I almost didn't post this thinking oh we've heard all this before.

And then I thought no. They shouldn't think that they can get away with this silencing of women, and we need to shine a light on it.

PS that's what my user name is about. not retiring from work, but wanting to retire from this endless attack on women's rights. But realise my thinking I could is a privilege some women dont have so the least I can do is let them know they aren't being ignored.

Do you think each new intake of students just means it is never going to end?

So they want to ban her from the Oxford Union - the debating society??

Fucking eejits.

I know what you mean, OP, about wanting to retire. But I do also feel the tide is turning, and while the callow 18 year olds who are hard of thinking that our schools seem to be churning out these days may be the last to see the light, I’m hopeful many of them will. And that the lunacy of the last few tests will be something we’ll look back in on with amazement. Hopefully.

The privilege of being able to ignore the tedious... I see your point. But the eye rolling is so tiring.

Just think of the actual students who are hungry for debate, sitting waiting for this utter shitshow of university wokeness to blow over.

They must be screaming into the wind right now, desperate for the adults to come back into the room.

*So they want to ban her from the Oxford Union -thedebating society??

Fucking eejits*

😂

It’s just the students. Students can be very activist in behaviour. May only a tiny minority. It hasn’t actually happened so it feels like shit stirring.

It’s normal way of behaviour. Though egging Tory MPs and a bit of shouting used to be the usual thing. It’s not your normal debating society though, more of a club within the university. It costs a lot to join and it’s where a lot of conservative MPs tried out their skills and made contacts.

The problem is, as we have seen elsewhere, even if the event is allowed by the university to go ahead, it only takes a small number of noisy or violent activists to disrupt the meeting entirely.

That aside, I saw your post and eyerolled, IWant. They are so tiresomely tenacious in their hounding of Doc Stock, and obviously pathetically unable to actually debate their position.

The university needs to stamp down on all who attempt to disrupt such events with noise and violence. These activists need to understand that actions have consequences and that the use of terrorism and violence to shut down free speech and reasonable discussion is unacceptable.

It's just the students at one of the world's leading universities, who are on a fast track to be our future leaders.

The university needs to put in place a boundary around the venue to keep the TRAs at a distance that allows the debate to occur. They can still protest, but their noise can then happen without drowning out the actual debate/speeches.

So you're in a debating society. You have the opportunity to debate someone whose views you passionately disagree with and think are objectively wrong. What's not to love?

How can students, of all people, learn to debate if they take one half away 🤷‍♀️

Surely both sides put their point across and you learn a bit about each argument

Oxford University.

World renowned Oxford University.

We should be weeping at this, these are people that will end up in Westminster, running some of the largest organisations on the planet and they cannot bear for someone who thinks wrong thoughts onto campus.

It is fucking disgusting how much money has been poured into these institutions to produce people who cannot form coherent arguments let alone stand next to someone who disagrees with them.

Actually the article was good

completely different slant than such an article would have had 3 years ago when it would have come from the ‘mean lady wants to say mean things which will literally kill trans people’ angle

it makes Stock’s views sound utterly reasonable

Ms Stock has said that the claim that “transwomen are women” is a fiction, and argued that spaces where women undress and sleep should remain “genuinely single-sex”.

they’ve spoken to her (she gets to point out that the statement issued by the LGBT society is probably defamatory), the university and Toby Young, as well as quoting the statement

also I didn’t know that Stock is now a writer and visiting fellow at the University of Austin, Texas. So pleased for her!

To be fair, the society presumably invited her. So if what lanadelgrey wrote is correct, these are probably future tory MPs and those objecting are probably the future of the Labour party and the LibDems.

PriOn1, that’s a depressing thought - how many years will it be until there is a non-Tory party I can vote for

This is a good development, both in terms of the events themselves and the reporting of them.

The Oxford Union invited Dr Stock; that means there are students at the University who want her to speak. Even if they disagree with her views, they want her to be able to express them because that is what debate is for.

The University (which is entirely separate from the Oxford Union) has confirmed that it does not support the deplatforming of anyone expressing their lawful views.

That means that both the debating society and the university itself understand what a debating society is for and what a university is for, and (so far at least) have said no to the spoilt students in the LGBTQ+ society who are throwing their toys out of the pram.

The article itself is very well written. I especially like the juxtaposition of the claims that Dr Stock is a danger to LGBTQ+ people who supports conversion therapy with the clarification that she is a married lesbian, leaving the reader to judge for themselves whether these claims are likely to be true or, as Stock say, defamatory.

This feels like evidence that the tide is turning. The Oxford Union, the University and Dr Stock all come across like actual grown ups, and the LGBTQ+ society come across like spoiled toddlers.

This feels like evidence that the tide is turning. The Oxford Union, the University and Dr Stock all come across like actual grown ups, and the LGBTQ+ society come across like spoiled toddlers.

I completely agree.

Pupils are rolling their eyes at it too. It’s a fad. A dangerous one but I think it is time-limited. I think there is a cross over between the type of pupil that is drawn to gender ideology and the type that is drawn to Oxbridge in terms of being fixated/dedicated to a particular subject. They haven’t the life experience to think critically about the situation so it’s all ideology.

this is one of my favourite headline writing tactics, to say, "Oxford students call for...", and by implication 'all or most Oxford students call for...' when what's really meant is 'a small number of Oxford students call for...'.

My dd wants to go to this but is too scared, which is really depressing.

I don't know who she is but it would seem that trying to ban her from a debate about her views is counter productive. If you disagree with someone, debate that idea, argue against them and persuade others that they are wrong.

You literally cannot win against these people. The leader of the LGBT society, who called for the deplatforming, is complaining that the Telegraph has named him in an article and has 'misgendered him'. The Telegraph refers to him with male pronouns. A quick look at his Twitter profile reveals that his pronoun preference is 'any', and all of his offical websites use 'he/him'. https://twitter.com/AddiHD02/status/1650623577513762824

Yes, perhaps if you say any pronouns are fine it's not surprising if a journalist opts to call you 'he'? And perhaps if you start a campaign against an academic and try to silence her the paper will want to report on that? I swear they just want to do what they like with zero consequences.

Yes, I've seen a lot of complaints on twitter about the Telegraph 'doxxing' them. People have been pointing out their names were publicly available, though they may have hidden them now. The misgendering is beyond ridiculous.

If the poor babies need a safe space away from alternative views, then they shouldn't be at a university in the first place.

What is even more amusing is that in the same thread a person states the ‘my boyfriend has been doxxed by the telegraph’.

Maybe I am assuming wrong, but as a ‘they/them’ how can they be a boyfriend? I thought it was all about not being a boy or a girl. It’s almost as if the partner knows exactly who they are!