I wish she’d talked less and let David Bell say more.
In case you haven't heard it, there was the earlier interview, where he spoke uninterrupted for the first 25 minutes, which I found impressive.
https://savageminds.substack.com/p/david-bell
I started listening to that again having it found it via search, not realising it was the old one...
The current episode is this:
https://savageminds.substack.com/p/david-bell-6cd
Interested to hear him bring up surrogacy as another parallel example of the commodification of female bodies unprompted...