Has anyone else been forced to become Conservative after all of this?

[ponderingsoul]

Probably the wrong wording, but I'm curious - after always considering myself fairly left wing/ liberal and generally voting Labour (or tactically Lib Dem when I was in the SW), I no longer really consider them a valid option for me because of their gender views/ inability to take a view.

Has this happened to anyone else? Never thought I'd be a Tory, but now feel like I have no choice as this issue is so important to me.

And then there's Diane Abbott.

even a plaque added to acknowledge Colston's role in slavery.

This seems completely fair though, an acknowledgment of the dark past of the nice stuff. It seems really odd that a campaign around that was ineffective, considering that every man and his dog can get a blue plaque these days. Perhaps the council is just crap when it comes to this sort of thing and they keep pushing it to the bottom of the agenda. I remember Bristol council was crap about strip clubs back in the day too.

Labour's support for Trans self id is a feature not a bug.

Going by what I read on Reddit, many trans people are very disillusioned with Labour and are determined not to vote for them. In fact there are a couple of threads on r/transgenderuk quite similar to this one, with people wondering who they can vote for when they feel no party represents their interests.

Yes queer culture as the new norm and the dismantling of everything built on the past, good and bad, is a cultural revolution supported by the left, and being imposed top down.

It's not a culture war started by the right, it's a resistance to this new imposed leftist cultural revolution. It's posited as a new utopia where everyone can be whatever they want and all past injustice will have been erased.

But it won't be utopia, it'll be hell, because it will require forced compliance and silencing of those who don't agree and the punishment of innocent people because of their immutable characteristics. Sounds like hell to me.

The left support this, and the Trans ideology is just a consistent part of this.

It's not just a separate add on to the lefts position it's consistent with their philosophy.

A few points raised on this thread haven’t been accurate, for example that the Cass review was commissioned by this Tory government. It wasn’t. It’s an NHS thing.
Not a government thing. The Cass review began in 2020 with interim report in 2022.

Here’s a link to the terms of reference which sets out the background:

https://cass.independent-review.uk/about-the-review/frequently-asked-questions/

TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR REVIEW OF GENDER IDENTITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICE FOR CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS
INTRODUCTION

1. NHS England is the responsible commissioner for specialised gender identity services for children and adolescents. The Gender Identity Development Service for children and adolescents is currently managed by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust.
2. In recent years there has been a significant increase in the number of referrals to the Gender Identity Development Service, and this has occurred at a time when the service has moved from a psychosocial and psychotherapeutic model to one that also prescribes medical interventions by way of hormone drugs. This has contributed to growing interest in how the NHS should most appropriately assess, diagnose and care for children and young people who present with gender incongruence and gender identity issues.
3. It is in this context that NHS England and NHS Improvement’s Quality and Innovation Committee has asked Dr Hilary Cass to chair an independent review, and to make recommendations on how to improve services for children and young people experiencing issues with their gender identity or gender incongruence, and ensure that the best model/s for safe and effective services are commissioned.

GC people need to stop allying themselves with right wingers who are at best controversial and at worst dangerous.
It's really stupid to do so based on one point of agreement where the motivations are definitely not aligned. These people do not give a shit about the safety and protection of women and girls.

There's extremism on both sides but there's a pretence that one side is being measured and proportionate. Voting Tory, validating scum like Jordan Peterson and Brendan O'Neill is dangerous and is destroying any reasonable argument.

If they're activists probably because labour are wobbling slightly as they are hitting reality.

The extreme left want to reconstruct reality and not be hampered by it.

That's Keir Starmers problem. He's signed up to the ideology and is now playing chicken with reality.

Of course some Trans people are conservative, accept reality and just want to live a quiet life in the way that helps them.
But they are not the ones seeking a cultural queer revolution.

I'm not GC, I am conservative, and I like Jordan Peterson.

I care deeply about the safety and dignity of women and girls.

The fact you refer to people like me as scum reveals you.

@MalagaNights I was talking about Peterson and O'Neill as was very clear but ok.

And I also care about the safety

Another point about this Tory government’s deeds not words problem , is that I don’t feel they have really learnt from the GRA reform fiasco. There seems to be a lot of misplaced confidence about that on here.

In fact the government has continued to show a lack of caution in this area despite the ongoing evidence from women, and an over-compliance to the demands of TRA lobby and all of this while the Cass review was not yet reporting: this is a sign of an easy-lobbied and incautious government, without an interest in safeguarding, who do not ‘know what a woman is’ in fact.

See for example the 2021 Government consultation on its proposal to introduce a new law banning “conversion therapy”

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Sex-Matters-Conversion-Therapy-Position-Paper-2.pdf

Sex Matters outlined the problems with the Tory government position:

‘Although the government says “It is important that a person experiencing gender dysphoria is able to openly explore what works for them without feeling pressured into any particular outcome”, the legislation would contribute to the climate of fear for professionals, organisations and parents who do not support an affirmation-only approach to gender identity.
This will leave more young people facing one-way pressure to transition physically rather than being accepted as being gender non-conforming (and possibly same-sex attracted).
It will thus promote a modern form of “conversion” and homophobia.’

Miriam Cates - a Tory - she definitely gives a shit about the safety and protection of women and girls.
Baroness Nicholson of Winterborne - also Tory, as does she.
David TC Davies - same for him.
Etc, etc.

Plenty of good eggs among the Tories.

Whereas charmers like Lloyd Russell-Moyle - I don’t trust him with the safety and protection of women and girls.

Yes Rosie Duffield is Labour, but she is isolated and unsupported by her party.

If you are voting solely on the single issue of the safety and protection of women and girls, Labour really don’t have the edge.

Ffs, I also care about the safety of women and girls but I won't align myself with people like that to further my argument.

I would also never vote conservative and strongly believe that anyone who does, doesn't care about people at all.

Scum wouldn't be the insult I'd use for people actively choosing to vote for a party destroying lives.

easy-lobbied and incautious government

This is fair enough. Does anyone remember how David Cameron would even have you to dinner for a fee?

Yet…. The state of Labour fgs. Are they any better? Seriously? They are a dog being wagged by its tail.

What insult would you use for people who vote Tory?

Food for thought there, Demi. The loss of women’s rights is the biggest issue for me. But now you mention it, the left seems to have wandered off into other weird and futile paths too.

I’ve just remembered. Labour brought in the stupid Equality Act as a parting gesture, getting rid of the Sex Discrimination Act as the result of being easily lobbied. They also brought in the GRA. They relaxed gambling laws. It’s not like they get the moral high ground on that front either.

People are welcome to try and get something they want done, but it won't always happen. That doesn't justify just doing it anyway.

Looking at groups who have wanted to remove evidence of earlier regimes and systems, or redact them so everyone knows they are supposed to think badly of them, are always convinced their cause is very righteous. But in the end its always to protect their own worldview from being seen as something other than the end of history.

@MalagaNights I think people who consciously support the current government are lacking in any social conscience and fundamentally are selfish. Let's leave it there eh.

Whereas charmers like Lloyd Russell-Moyle - I don’t trust him with the safety and protection of women and girls.

He is terrifying. It's as if 1984 was , to use a cliché an instruction manual not a novel. He is consumed with hatred for anyone who disagrees with him on anything. His election acceptance speech is a good example of what a nasty piece of work he is.

People at that time thought Roots was non-fiction too, because that's how Haley presented it. Speaking about manipulation of the narrative.

Well it's you who brought up and alluded to insults. But ok if you want to leave it.

I've voted Tory because I have a moral conscience and think it would overall be better for society than the current dangerous leftist ideology.

Look at that... we're making different decisions but with the same good motivations... who'd have thought that was possible?
Anyone who either wasn't 15 years old, or ridiculously naive and sanctimonious.

I'll trade some insults if you like: you are very silly.

You accused me of calling you scum. You were wrong @MalagaNights.

But your social conscience includes refering to people as scum?

Two high profile commentators, yes.

This is really fucking boring and a distraction from the issue at hand which is a willingness to continue to uphold a disgusting government over a single issue.

I genuinely don't understand why anyone would trust them. They don't have a great track record.