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Has anyone else been forced to become Conservative after all of this?

357 replies

ponderingsoul · 22/04/2023 11:31

Probably the wrong wording, but I'm curious - after always considering myself fairly left wing/ liberal and generally voting Labour (or tactically Lib Dem when I was in the SW), I no longer really consider them a valid option for me because of their gender views/ inability to take a view.

Has this happened to anyone else? Never thought I'd be a Tory, but now feel like I have no choice as this issue is so important to me.

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Floisme · 22/04/2023 15:48

What depresses me more is that Labour could sort this out in a heartbeat.

SpringTastic · 22/04/2023 15:50

Jeesus please don't vote conservative! Just ruin your ballot with the words ADULT HUMAN FEMALE.

Floisme · 22/04/2023 15:55

Ballot spoiling will be a last resort. I'm hoping for an independent candidate with a functioning brain. I've never seriously considered the independents before but I'm beginning to think there's a lot to be said for an MP who isn't tied to a party line.

Lavenderlaze · 22/04/2023 15:55

ponderingsoul · 22/04/2023 14:09

thanks for all the replies, really interesting and will help me work out what the hell to do re voting. I suppose I am just so so disappointed/ alarmed by Labour's position/ lack of that I feel I have no good options. Left wing and gender critical = no party to vote for?!

That doesn't meant you vote conservative. It's frankly ridiculous and pretty disgusting that you'd be willing to hold up that party after everything they've done.

Satsumastocking · 22/04/2023 16:08

Rosula · 22/04/2023 14:33

Is this issue really so important to you that you are prepared to continue to throw the disabled, poor and elderly to the wolves, sell off the health service, close your eyes to government corruption and illegality, throw the economy down the drain, and send vulnerable refugees - including women and children - to a highly unsafe destination? Seriously? If so, how do you live with yourself?

Exactly. I don't see Tories claiming gender is a social construction, either.

Anklespraying · 22/04/2023 16:17

Tory - Been in for 13 years and my life has gotten much worse under them, knows what a woman is, because they would prefer them chained to a kitchen sink.

I genuinely don't understand how people can actually write things like this! The cliches the left hang onto are bonkers.
Is that what women who vote conservative do? Chain themselves to a sink?

Reading this website has certainly made me realise how nonsensical much of the left's view of the right is. It's incoherent.

If I vote conservative I'm voting that way because I want me and all the generations of women in my family chained to a sink.

Floisme · 22/04/2023 16:19

I wonder how Labour will live with itself if it throws away all these women's votes, and maybe even the chance to govern, all because it's in thrall to a reality denying ideology? Will there be a reckoning, or it will it palm off any blame onto women who refuse to go along with their nonsense?

Anklespraying · 22/04/2023 16:23

Rosula · 22/04/2023 14:33

Is this issue really so important to you that you are prepared to continue to throw the disabled, poor and elderly to the wolves, sell off the health service, close your eyes to government corruption and illegality, throw the economy down the drain, and send vulnerable refugees - including women and children - to a highly unsafe destination? Seriously? If so, how do you live with yourself?

If it's that bad here, ie wolves everywhere and 875 billion pounds sloshing around underground in the drainage system surely you already convinced this is a highly unsafe destination and we should all be on our way to Rwanda.

I might just get down the drain hole and see if I can find a nice chunk of the economy stuck behind a fatberg.

Pekkala · 22/04/2023 16:26

Ha. My darling DP is a raging Tory boy (I know, I know, I know, but he does have some redeeming features); and there was me all smug as he had FINALLY admitted Brexit is a monumental fuck up and now he gets to send me screenshots of Tories starting to stand up for women/common sense while Starmer et al sit there doing fuck all.
I mean, I'll never vote Tory, obvs. but it's just so ANNOYING to find myself be grateful to them.

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 16:49

Floisme · 22/04/2023 15:55

Ballot spoiling will be a last resort. I'm hoping for an independent candidate with a functioning brain. I've never seriously considered the independents before but I'm beginning to think there's a lot to be said for an MP who isn't tied to a party line.

We have an independent candidate on the ballot paper for the forthcoming local elections and I've just been through his election leaflet and it's the most appalling rubbish. Semi-literate ('I have wrote this letter to yourselfs ...') and uncosted election promises, one outright lie, and some bewildering nonsense about 'getting more local GPs and dentists for local people'.

Erm ... it's a local council, mate, you can't force GP practices to open and 'service local people' Confused

I hope others have better luck with their independent council candidates.

Nellieinthebarn · 22/04/2023 16:52

I'm left wing, in some ways very left wing, but I cannot vote for Labour, Liberals or Greens due to the TWAW views that would soon become policies. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory, I hate this Government with a passion. I can't not vote, women fought too hard to get it, and the Trans want women to be silenced. But who can I vote for?

Wedoronron · 22/04/2023 16:53

Sorry surely no one can vote for the terrible, corrupt. Popularist current Tories. Labour are being dickheads and hopefully will see the light but I will spoil my vote before voting for the vile vile vile Tories.

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 16:55

Nellieinthebarn · 22/04/2023 16:52

I'm left wing, in some ways very left wing, but I cannot vote for Labour, Liberals or Greens due to the TWAW views that would soon become policies. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory, I hate this Government with a passion. I can't not vote, women fought too hard to get it, and the Trans want women to be silenced. But who can I vote for?

I wasn't joking when I said Communist. The Morning Star-producing communists still recognise the crucial importance of sex classes. The chances of getting a candidate, though, are slim.

Cycleorrun · 22/04/2023 17:07

Not sure what Brexit has got to do with women's rights but as far as I'm concerned this issue is so vital that I can only vote for the best chance of saving them. Nothing I have seen from Labour persuades me that they aren't mostly full on 'women are bigots for wanting single sex spaces'. I cannot in all conscience vote for them.

Slothtoes · 22/04/2023 17:07

Still hoping to hear of all the compelling positive things for women’s rights that has actually happened under this Tory government for women’s rights? Deeds not words. Can someone just outline their actual helpful deeds for women? Which they have been at liberty to bring to Parliament any time since 2010… what have they actually done for us?

The Tories have presided over this whole shit show, why do they deserve my vote?
Not long ago they were consulting on bringing in self ID.

There’s no safe gender critical party to vote for, honourable exception being the communists. Please tell me why on earth therefore I should be voting Tory if I care about women’s rights?

DemiColon · 22/04/2023 17:11

Squiblet · 22/04/2023 15:26

No way. The Tories are hopeless on climate change and appear to be actually going backwards on net zero.

The Net Zero concept is a scam. I don't know why environmentalists keep pushing it.

DemiColon · 22/04/2023 17:17

Anklespraying · 22/04/2023 16:17

Tory - Been in for 13 years and my life has gotten much worse under them, knows what a woman is, because they would prefer them chained to a kitchen sink.

I genuinely don't understand how people can actually write things like this! The cliches the left hang onto are bonkers.
Is that what women who vote conservative do? Chain themselves to a sink?

Reading this website has certainly made me realise how nonsensical much of the left's view of the right is. It's incoherent.

If I vote conservative I'm voting that way because I want me and all the generations of women in my family chained to a sink.

I know, right?

Chained to the kitchen sink like Thatcher, May, Badenoch...

Women have done very well in the CP, and what's more you never feel they're being given a position because they are women, but because they have something to offer. Which is not always the case with Labour.

Satsumastocking · 22/04/2023 17:20

Anklespraying · 22/04/2023 16:17

Tory - Been in for 13 years and my life has gotten much worse under them, knows what a woman is, because they would prefer them chained to a kitchen sink.

I genuinely don't understand how people can actually write things like this! The cliches the left hang onto are bonkers.
Is that what women who vote conservative do? Chain themselves to a sink?

Reading this website has certainly made me realise how nonsensical much of the left's view of the right is. It's incoherent.

If I vote conservative I'm voting that way because I want me and all the generations of women in my family chained to a sink.

It wasn't meant literally. It's more about how badly Tory policies have affected women's lives in particular.

Beachhutnut · 22/04/2023 17:24

Won't vote Tory but won't vote Labour or Lib Dem at the moment either so spoilt ballot here

Hepwo · 22/04/2023 17:25

The operative word there is "consulting" @Slothtoes

Consultation is a normal part of the legislation process and in that case analysis of the responses led the cross party decision to not enact the law reform.

If that consultation process had not happened the pressure to change the law would still exist. There still is pressure in fact, along with outrage and bitterness from right and left wing trans allies that they didn't "win" the consultation, but there is now a body of evidence which shows why it should not change as a result of the consultation.

Labour and the Lib Dems and Greens would ignore that consultation and go ahead anyway if elected.

They would probably have ignored it if they had been in power when it took place for ideological reasons instead of the evidence based decision that was made.

AutumnCrow · 22/04/2023 17:47

Fact: Penny Mordaunt, when representing the government from the despatch box, said 'TWAW and TMAM'. She was 'Paymaster General' at the time.

Fact: She is still in government and has been made the Leader of the Commons by Rishi Sunak.

JoodyBlue · 22/04/2023 17:47

The last 13 years have been difficult globally. If I could have predicted in 2016 how I would be voting in the next year or so it would have been Labour. It will not be now however, because there is no-one in the Labour party currently that I hold respect for with the exception of Rosie Duffield. I don't instinctively side with Conservative politics, but I will take the Conservative Party over the Labour party right now. For me usually issues and policies are what guide me to vote. I see a more adult approach on the tory side, a more professional and considered approach to leading a country. Sunak is a better bet than Starmer who I would not trust. I don't really understand GC women who let Starmer off the hook.

Biscuitsneeded · 22/04/2023 18:02

WhatTheHeckyPeck · 22/04/2023 12:28

No. The Tories may "know what a woman is" but they sure as hell couldn't give a fuck about them.

This.

Currently I am politically disenfranchised. There is literally nobody to vote for.

Greydog · 22/04/2023 18:11

Our previous MP was a Conservative - the current is Labour. I have written to her about several issues - no response. The Conservative always replied when they were contacted. A friend of mine who has been trying to sort out something has had his email address blocked by the Labour MP!

Whoiscomingtosaveyou · 22/04/2023 18:14

I’ll be tactical voting in future until the SNP are out.