Men in court for setting up a castration/extreme porn business

[AdamRyan]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323609

1. how come this is prosecuted as ABH when the victims consented, yet when women are harmed their "consent" means the man who harmed them gets off?

2. wrf is wrong with (some) men? This is extreme porn sickness

In fact having reread it's really weird because one of the men being prosecuted as the "ringleader" also was harmed by the gang

Yeeeurch

Dear lord.

we need to stop men watching so much porn.

Forgive my ignorance.

Do a group all sit in a room waking when these operations happen?

This is the sort of article you read and wish you hadn't. I really wish I didn't know this sort of thing existed!

It looks like they ran a subscription website that they streamed stuff to

Procedures, including the removal of penises and testicles, were allegedly filmed and uploaded to a payable subscription "eunuch maker" website, run by the alleged ringleader Mr Gustavson, the Old Bailey heard.

Arnold, of South Kensington, west London, who admitted the partial removal of Mr Gustavson's nipple in the summer of 2019, also pleaded guilty to the theft of local anaesthetic lidocaine from the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, where he worked in 2016.

I believe that they are performing mastectomies on healthy tissue there, when females claim to be trans? I wonder what department he works in.

There is a whole element of overlap that I don't think we are allowed to discuss because we'll be deleted....

Jesus Christ.

So the man who ran this voluntarily had his nipple and penis removed and uploaded it to his website?

I don't even have a penis and I'm squirming for him.

So the group themselves never wanked, they got money and to be famous in their subculture?

It was others wanking in their individual homes?

You have to wonder how the brains of these men are wired, and they will work in the NHS, likely schools, police and civil service.

It's all completely mind boggling ! I'd never heard of a nullo until I read this article earlier.

Agh, I’m with PP. Could do without this in my head … People are so strange.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4769152-extreme-body-modification-case?page=1

Thread from the last court appearance.

Grim. Can't even bring myself to read it. Also, who has the time in their life for this shit?!

Lest we forget (June 2022):

Health chiefs apologise over claim that eunuch should be gender identity

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/85a579b4-ed89-11ec-8821-d2e916a7eab3?shareToken=c1a8d0b8ad3b6d42c4c2ec587a5b5a3e

Holy schizzle. That's is truly horrendous. I never knew such a thing existed.

If I'm reading it correctly, Mr Gustavson has lost his penis, testicles, a nipple and a leg??? I'm reminded of the knight in Monty Python's The Holy Grail..."tis but a flesh wound!"

I might be missing the point slightly, but having had these mutiliations carried out on them, what happens about the leg for example, do they just rock up at the doctors and ask for prosthetics? They have to be specially fitted dont they?

Also the testicle and penis thing, what about going to toilet, how does that work, about about hormonal changes etc, what about if they need to go to the doctor and then its observed they have bits of their body missing but theres nothing on their medical notes, or do they not present themselves to doctors and health care?

And is this a sexual thing, or a mental health thing like people who are 'trans abled' and cut their arms off and things?

I'm wondering how on earth Mr Gustavson goes for a wee ?

This was in Fortean Times I read today. In the column next to it was a piece on Trans-racialism.

After being repeatedly deleted on this board last week I am not going to make further comment.

The leg amputation sounds like it was a deliberate ‘freeze’ injury - I’ve read about this phenomenon before, ‘wannabe amputees’ purchase dry ice to seriously damage their unwanted limbs and then either present at hospital immediately or call themselves an ambulance.

The limb is beyond saving and the subsequent amputation occurs in hospital.

how come this is prosecuted as ABH when the victims consented, yet when women are harmed their "consent" means the man who harmed them gets off?

I believe (though IANAL) that under E+W law, you cannot legally consent to be the "victim" of physical abuse, where that physical abuse crosses the legality line. So if you're in an S+M relationship, you can legally consent to be on the receiving end of violence that doesn't qualify as ABH/GBH, but no more than that. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

(I'm sure there are legal guidelines as to when something crosses these lines - I'm also sure that there must be a lot of blurring, and even mose sure that I'm glad I have no input, professional or otherwise into this sort of stuff!)

The second part of the OPs question is the more interesting part --

It reminds me of the Operation Spanner trial in the 80s. That made me squirm when I read what the men used to do to each other. This is even more extreme.
There are some very disturbed people about.

Much like the history of trans the desire to have a limb amputated is first observed by American sexologists as paraphilia type thing, is rebranded as a psychological disorder and then morphs into a social identity.

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/neurophilosophy/2012/may/30/1

The original doctors involved in both gender identity disorder and body integrity disorder are the exact same team, John Money and co.

Re: how penis-less men urinate - with difficulty!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2721615/

I suspect there is probably some cross over with medical fetishist stuff and nullos learn to self catheterise as and when necessary 😬

There was an article about biid (body integrity identity disorder, I think) in the Atlantic called 'a new way of being mad'. It was published before all the trans stuff kicked off. I saw a documentary about biid years ago. One story stuck with. A woman who wanted her legs removed, both of them. She treated herself from time to time to wheelchair days. In the interim she was driving, walking, everything with these poor unwanted legs. She seemed so ungrateful! There was a doctor (he may have been British) who was carrying out elective amputations, properly, in a hospital. I think he was made to stop. I don't recall if he got into trouble. I wonder if he's still working? On guy stuck his leg on a train track. He was sat with his prosthetic, seemed pleased with himself.

Consent is no defence to actual bodily harm in the UK except for boxers and surgeons. The Spanner case, (which IIRC was the clearest possible example of freely consenting men with no obvious imbalance of power and only temporary damage), made this clear and it's still good law.

That's why the "we can't consent to this" campaign, while well-motivated, was a bit misguided in its precise aims. There have been some shocking cases of men who've harmed women getting off with light or no sentences in the name of kink, but none of them have been as simple as "she consented so it's all fine".