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Men in court for setting up a castration/extreme porn business

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2023 17:45

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323609

  1. how come this is prosecuted as ABH when the victims consented, yet when women are harmed their "consent" means the man who harmed them gets off?

  2. wrf is wrong with (some) men? This is extreme porn sickness

The Old Bailey

Men admit removing man's body parts including penis

The man whose body parts were removed is accused of broadcasting castrations on a website.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65323609

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EmotionalSupportHyena · 19/04/2023 19:00

mauvish · 19/04/2023 18:40

how come this is prosecuted as ABH when the victims consented, yet when women are harmed their "consent" means the man who harmed them gets off?

I believe (though IANAL) that under E+W law, you cannot legally consent to be the "victim" of physical abuse, where that physical abuse crosses the legality line. So if you're in an S+M relationship, you can legally consent to be on the receiving end of violence that doesn't qualify as ABH/GBH, but no more than that. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

(I'm sure there are legal guidelines as to when something crosses these lines - I'm also sure that there must be a lot of blurring, and even mose sure that I'm glad I have no input, professional or otherwise into this sort of stuff!)

The second part of the OPs question is the more interesting part --

I suspect the difference between this extreme body mod/ castration fetish lot and the men who kill women and try and blame it on consensual kink ‘gone wrong’ is intent.

These perverts deffo intended to cut each other’s knobs off (and you can’t actually consent to GBH so that’s not a defence) whereas the ‘kink gone wrong’ perverts try and claim they had not intended to injure or kill their (usually female) victims and if she’s dead, she can’t dispute his bullshit (although forensics sometimes can).

SwirlyShirly · 19/04/2023 19:03

Jesus it all goes on these days don't it 🙄

NotHavingIt · 19/04/2023 19:07

Last year WPATH came up with a new gender identity; that of 'Eunuch'. It featured in Scottish NHS literature until it was noticed and then quickly removed. However, if you explore the WPATH Eunuch link a little further it takes you to a site called 'The eunuch archives' in which men with a fetish for castration ( and yes, men pay to watch other men being castrated or to be castrated themselves) detail elaborate fantasises about castrating young boys.

https://www.wpath.org/soc8/chapters

http://www.eunuch.org

SOC8 Chapters - WPATH World Professional Association for Transgender Health

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), is a 501(c)(3) non-profit, interdisciplinary professional and educational organization devoted to transgender health.

https://www.wpath.org/soc8/chapters

IcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2023 19:08

Found an article on the Doctor who did the elective amputations. He's Robert Smith (no, not that Cure).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127127/

Surgeon amputated healthy legs

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127127

EmotionalSupportHyena · 19/04/2023 19:11

IcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2023 18:59

There was an article about biid (body integrity identity disorder, I think) in the Atlantic called 'a new way of being mad'. It was published before all the trans stuff kicked off. I saw a documentary about biid years ago. One story stuck with. A woman who wanted her legs removed, both of them. She treated herself from time to time to wheelchair days. In the interim she was driving, walking, everything with these poor unwanted legs. She seemed so ungrateful! There was a doctor (he may have been British) who was carrying out elective amputations, properly, in a hospital. I think he was made to stop. I don't recall if he got into trouble. I wonder if he's still working? On guy stuck his leg on a train track. He was sat with his prosthetic, seemed pleased with himself.

I don’t think I know that one but there is an old BBC Horizons episode on the internet archive about the British doctors who did a couple of elective amputations - the psychiatrist was based in London and IIRC the surgeon was Scottish?

The psychiatrist, Russell Reid got his knuckles rapped by the GMC for gender stuff (funnily enough some of the same doctors who reported Reid also reported Helen Webberly).

https://zagria.blogspot.com/2010/05/russell-reid-1943-psychiatrist.html

Russell Reid (1943 - ) psychiatrist.

Russell Warwick Stedman Reid was born in New Zealand. He trained as a doctor at Otago University in Dunedin (where John Money had taught p...

https://zagria.blogspot.com/2010/05/russell-reid-1943-psychiatrist.html?m=1

EmotionalSupportHyena · 19/04/2023 19:27

Weirdly, I’ve just realised that the lovely GC gay chap Malcolm Clark was involved in the making of this Horizon episode!

twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1419532106590457858?s=20

ThePoshUns · 19/04/2023 19:42

Bunch of sick weirdos.
In terms of prosecuting there is a stated case that no one can consent to having an assault ( GBH level) perpetrated against them.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 19/04/2023 19:51

There is nothing on this earth that pornsick men won't wank over.

Although, once they cut their knob off they can't even do that.

FoodCentre · 19/04/2023 19:58

Whatsnewpussyhat · 19/04/2023 19:51

There is nothing on this earth that pornsick men won't wank over.

Although, once they cut their knob off they can't even do that.

Was thinking this. After it's sliced off, you have to keep recruiting new members to keep it going, yikes

IcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2023 20:04

New members....! 😲

PriamFarrl · 19/04/2023 20:10

ThePoshUns · 19/04/2023 19:42

Bunch of sick weirdos.
In terms of prosecuting there is a stated case that no one can consent to having an assault ( GBH level) perpetrated against them.

That’s the point though. These men have been prosecuted for physically harming a consenting man. Women have been horrifically injured and even killed during sex and the men have not been found guilty as they say that the woman consented. It’s a complete double standard.

turbonerd · 19/04/2023 20:36

NotHavingIt · 19/04/2023 19:07

Last year WPATH came up with a new gender identity; that of 'Eunuch'. It featured in Scottish NHS literature until it was noticed and then quickly removed. However, if you explore the WPATH Eunuch link a little further it takes you to a site called 'The eunuch archives' in which men with a fetish for castration ( and yes, men pay to watch other men being castrated or to be castrated themselves) detail elaborate fantasises about castrating young boys.

https://www.wpath.org/soc8/chapters

http://www.eunuch.org

Yes, and only a few days ago a woman (on Facebook) argued that eunuchs are a gender in the Bible, so eunuchs must therefore be …
fine. And dandy. Under the trans umbrella.

connie26 · 19/04/2023 20:39

I can't look. What a f*ed up world we live in.

Whatafool123 · 19/04/2023 21:05

Oh God, the weird things people do have no limits!

That said, given they all appear to have been adults who chose to do these things to themselves, the most.worryong bit of this is that he is also being done for distribution of an image of a child. I really hope that was unrelated to the eunuch fetish (not that the circulation of any image of a child is good).

ThePoshUns · 19/04/2023 21:12

Sorry @PriamFarrl I missed your point. Yes I agree, the double standard is shocking yet not surprising.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2023 01:07

ResisterRex · 19/04/2023 18:16

Lest we forget (June 2022):

Health chiefs apologise over claim that eunuch should be gender identity

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/85a579b4-ed89-11ec-8821-d2e916a7eab3?shareToken=c1a8d0b8ad3b6d42c4c2ec587a5b5a3e

Indeed. I believe that WPATH included eunuchs as a sexual orientation in the recent 8th edition of their Standards of Care for the Health of Transgender and Gender Diverse People. FFS!

TheBiologyStupid · 20/04/2023 01:08

D'oh - gender identity, not sexual orientation.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 20/04/2023 02:51

the person who works at Chelsea and Westminster and stole drugs - he works in the gender clinic? They do genital surgery there so he has been using work for his fetish?

fhats grim, surely he will get stuck off?

EmotionalSupportHyena · 20/04/2023 03:47

stealtheatingtunnocks · 20/04/2023 02:51

the person who works at Chelsea and Westminster and stole drugs - he works in the gender clinic? They do genital surgery there so he has been using work for his fetish?

fhats grim, surely he will get stuck off?

I don’t think there is any overlap in the timeline, thankfully!

Nathan Arnold ‘former nurse’ stole from Chelsea & Westminster Hospital in 2016.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11990483/amp/Duo-admit-removing-penis-nipple-man-accused-streaming-castrations-eunuch-maker-site.html

The new FtM genital gender surgery unit were advertising for staff in May 2022 but it doesn’t seem to have opened until very recently.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10847183/amp/Outcry-NHS-creates-new-service-offer-female-male-surgery-free.html

Men in court for setting up a castration/extreme porn business
Men in court for setting up a castration/extreme porn business
Men in court for setting up a castration/extreme porn business
Mummyoflittledragon · 20/04/2023 06:28

PriamFarrl · 19/04/2023 20:10

That’s the point though. These men have been prosecuted for physically harming a consenting man. Women have been horrifically injured and even killed during sex and the men have not been found guilty as they say that the woman consented. It’s a complete double standard.

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Gosh. Yes it is a complete double standard. The dead women cannot even confirm they consented.

OldCrone · 20/04/2023 08:06

IcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2023 18:59

There was an article about biid (body integrity identity disorder, I think) in the Atlantic called 'a new way of being mad'. It was published before all the trans stuff kicked off. I saw a documentary about biid years ago. One story stuck with. A woman who wanted her legs removed, both of them. She treated herself from time to time to wheelchair days. In the interim she was driving, walking, everything with these poor unwanted legs. She seemed so ungrateful! There was a doctor (he may have been British) who was carrying out elective amputations, properly, in a hospital. I think he was made to stop. I don't recall if he got into trouble. I wonder if he's still working? On guy stuck his leg on a train track. He was sat with his prosthetic, seemed pleased with himself.

Was the 'woman' you mention Chloe Jennings White? Chloe used to be Clive. This is an excellent article about Chloe/Clive written by a disabled woman.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spinal-column-no-truck-with-transableists-r3qrr3glx73

There are some unexpected perks from my situation. One of them, if you possess a fertile sense of the ridiculous, is discovering the lunacy that lurks around the edges of disability. In this regard, one of the most spectacular bits of low-hanging fruit is a person called Chloe Jennings-White, a fake paraplegic who features in a National Geographic documentary to be broadcast next month.

The article is in the archives if you don't have a subscription.

Spinal column: no truck with transableists

Melanie Reid broke her neck and back falling from a horse in April 2010. Now home after 12 months’ rehab, this week she considers transableism. There are some unexpected perks from my situation. One

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/spinal-column-no-truck-with-transableists-r3qrr3glx73

FannyCann · 20/04/2023 08:08

Regarding the NHS Chelsea and Westminster service for "masculinising" genital surgery there is an FOI which gives more details here.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/nhsserviceeforprovisionnof_mas#incoming-2108473

"Chelsea and Westminster have confirmed that the required infrastructure is 
in place for the service. This includes provision of beds for 3-5 
inpatients at any one time, accommodated inside rooms for privacy. Theatre 
capacity has been released five days a week, by repatriating lower 
complexity cases to the treatment centre. As an outcome of the additional 
funding made available by NHS England, their plans include provision of 
2.0 WTE consultant anaesthetists, 2.0 WTE clinical nurse specialists and 
1.0 WTE tissue viability nurse. The Critical Care Unit on site has 
recently undergone an expansion and now has 15 ITU beds, of which 4 are 
HDU, and arrangements are in place for transfers to this unit as needed."

3-5 beds reserved for these patients. I don't know about C&W but at my hospital I regularly see queues of ambulances waiting to offload as I drive out at the end of the day. And we not infrequently have to cancel planned admissions for a particular procedure due to lack of beds.

They say it will not impact other surgery because they are outsourcing other surgery to private treatment centres.

And if particular note the plan includes provision of a whole time tissue viability nurse. For those who don't know TVNs are concerned with wound healing, more specifically wounds that AREN'T healing and require ongoing specialised care.

It's almost like they know these operations are problematic.

TheaBrandt · 20/04/2023 08:08

God men are weird