Caroline Nokes supports the WI's decision to admit transwomen.

[FOJN]

And that's not even the best part, the Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee thinks it's a depressing state of affairs to regard biological males as dangerous! It's almost as if the MoJ crime figures are really hard to access. Safeguarding is obviously discriminatory and oppressive.

Notice how she talk about trans rights and women's rights and then refers to trans rights campaigners and anti trans campaigners. She talks about the toxicity of the debate and how some protests have become violent but conveniently doesn't mention who perpetrates the violence.

She appears to think the trans community is the most marginalised and abused but seems ignorant of the abuse and violence women face.

She proves, yet again, that stupidity is not a barrier to a career in politics.

https://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1648240070602936321?s=20

thats a shame, I quite liked her before that.

she’s dropped a bit of a bollock there

When you knit too much you can't hold your pint?

Caroline Nokes is one of the chief architects of the Tory Trans Inclusion policy. Her TWAW beliefs go way back.

Maybe this will help:

I just love how Mumsnetters turn silly, goady comments on their heads and make a huge joke out of them.

I love ❤️ the knitted beer mug, too.

For those of us who are past the first flush of youth, does anyone remember the model Jean Shrimpton? I'm sure I read about her having to go to nightclubs to network, as we'd say now but didn't then. She hated it and used to sit in a corner with her knitting.

There is of course another knitting hero in Tom Daley ....

William Hague: Women’s Institute should welcome transgender women

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9ef241f6-dd55-11ed-9cc2-0f7e26ed83eb?shareToken=6ee00b0f0d6723ee944529fa38ce6f6e

Well that's one reason I can't vote Tory.

That's Penny Mordaunt.

Ah thanks for that correction @ArabeIIaScott

Well, doh
if you spend all the time knitting, your hand will cramp and you'll drop your beer.

cut back on the knitting.

I'm not a WI member so please correct me if I'm wrong. But do WI members get undressed at their meetings? Are they providing rape counselling or similar services? What's the issue with them admitting trans women?

Either the WI wants to be a single sex organisation, in which case admitting any male born person makes it no longer single sex, Or it is happy to be mixed sex, in which case it should admit any male born person not just TW.

WI may well discuss e.g. menopause or whatever that they may not wish to discuss in front of people with different biology.

But you know this really, I'm sure.

Sorry to disappoint but there is no nudity at WI meetings.

Sometimes some women enjoy the company of other women, without males present.

This may just be for female companionship, or it may be because they feel more able to discuss intimate issues, or it may be for religious reasons.

I know. It's the sexism that gets me. Imagining that men cant knit and women cant drink beer.

Caroline Nokes has always been pro men trampling on women's boundaries.

I wrote to her at least eight years ago, and she was walking around with her eyes shut then.

There's no excuse now, though.

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The Freedom of Association is a fundamental human right. The freedom to choose who you mix with, and who you don't. It is a freedom that can be abused obviously. And all fundamental human rights are by the defining fact of society qualified to a certain extent.

However if Jesus and Jane want to associate without Judas, that is their right. Questioning that right is in and of itself an attack on it. So should only be indulged in the certain extents mentioned aforethread.

With the ECHR reportedly on the chopping block, people really should bone up on the concept of fundamental rights before they are gone.
</serious face>

There is a school of thought that some people would not become a member of any club that would accept them.

She’s my MP too. Occasionally shows flashes of non-Tory-groupthink before reminding you of her true blueness. But very much of #bekind who cares about rights anyway

she is excellent at replying to emails though, so might try again. For what it’s worth (vanishingly little).

Perhaps all of us on here who have CN as out MP (at least 3!) should all email in asking her some questions.

Did we not have nokes on Mumsnet for a chat ?

going to search

Oh yes here she was.

a mums net chat. Tried to copy. But I seem to have failed 🙈

Why stop at TW. Why not just admit all men. Why not just change the name to “The People’s Institute. Full inclusivity or you’re a hateful bigot.

Couldn't spot it. Assume already asked .

But doesn't she have a relative who's trans.

Basically any politician or public figure who is unexpectedly vocal about TWAW has a trans relative.

My knitting group meets in the pub. It’s definitely not advertised as women-only, that’s just who turns up.

Several of us are members of different branches of the WI. AFAIK none of them has men or transwomen as members. I’m not sure what the response would be if they applied to join. Be Kind and feel uncomfortable, probably.

In the interests of harmony the knitting group avoids discussion of contentious subjects.