Dylan Mulvaney -created in a boardroom

[TheSandgroper]

And he is cheap.

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/rainbow-washing-women-out-of-existence

Finally got round to watching DM's Nike Tictok. A pure fucking send up. It's grotesque. He is insulting women and transwomen. It's a cartoon.

Tell us more about how you don’t understand what TikTok is, or the content that is posted on it.

There’s a good chance that your grandparents hated the Beatles for the same reason that you hate Dylan Mulvaney. They’re both examples of an inability to relate to a changing media landscape.

You’ll start to hate modern music soon. Perhaps you already do.

Did the Beatles encourage proANA type comments? How is it rebelling? It's not. It's harming.

This isn't even an argument. It's just nonsense.

It’s a perfectly relevant observation that TikTok is a new media format with new styles, and that anybody critiquing Mulvaney as a caricature simply doesn’t get it. It reveals the same lack of understanding that saw the Beatles being hated and Elvis being hated and Jazz music being hated before the war.

Watching people wailing about Dylan Mulvaney reminds me of all the angst that was created when young people started dancing to rock and roll music. Apparently that too was a satanic plot cooked up in music industry boardrooms.

If you live long enough you get to watch each new generation of young people produce new media which outrages its elders. Which is both glorious and entirely as it should be.

You're funny. You know the gen alphas hate this shit though, right? So if we're going to get into insulting people for not being down with the kids, the out of touch ones aren't us.

The oldest members of Generation Alpha are only ten years old.

It's generally accepted to have started in 2010, so the oldest members are 13. But I guess maths isn't for everyone. The older alphas, along with the youngest zoomers, are sooooooo sick of this shit. I spend a lot of time with kids and both overhear them talking to each other and have them talk to me about it. And they are a mix of angry at being lied to and derisive of the idiots who are participating in it.

If you live long enough you get to see all the outrageously offensive stereotypes seen on the tv in the 70s come back round as empowering and cool.

I'll ask again.

How did the Beatles advocate self harm and body mutilation in women and girls? How did they promote the idea of girls as unthinking airheads?

How did they encourage a generation to hate their own bodies?

I'm a media /history graduate, and technology change does change society and there is generational shift and clashes. It's observable.

But saying this is comparable to the Beatles in terms of a generation is wrong. It's the wrong comparison. It's not about rebellion in the way you think. For that look more to climate change. Spontaneous, grass roots driven and not commercialised (though becoming commercialised).

The era of the Beatles wasn't manufactured. It become commercially successful but it wasn't cynically created in a boardroom like this. Beatles clones were, but not the Beatles themselves. This movement is more about feeding on the growing sense of isolation and community breakdown elsewhere in society. It's driven from above. Community only exists online for many now. In an unreality. It is the rise of the unreality.

And it's not rebellion. It's conformity driven. Don't dare to be different from your peers. Fit in at all costs. It's the fear of not ticking the right boxes for gender which is stronger than parental influence. It's not breaking away though. It's reinforcing old tropes that parents and grandparents recognise. It's not fresh nor new. Gender bending is so 1970s afterall...

For a better comparison you want to look squarely at fashion and advertising for this reason. It might be comparable to Twiggy encouraging young girls to be ultra thin though, in a way that's unachievable for their bodies. And this trend of hyper promotion of the unreal and unachievable has merely accelerated and become more pervasive as commercialism has increased. That's not a cultural shift, that's more marketing and more misgyonist push on the same concept of tapping into beauty ideals to make money at the expense of female socialisation which is built on a lack of self worth and confidence.

And this isn't a vision from women for women. It's still through males eyes and male desire. Even if the Mulvaney bud light campaign was run by a woman. (A woman who incidentally looks to have lost her career for fucking it up)

That's why the feminist argument still holds true on it.

And even if you do compare it to the Beatles, what you are in effect saying is that is a trend which is time limited and will crash and burn when the next thing comes along. It's got a level of superficially to it rather than profound social change like the civil rights revolution. Civil rights needed intergenerational support and value and it won social consensus with a sufficient spread of society rather than singular demographics.

It's bullshit. And it will come crashing down.

You’ve missed the whole point of this story.

@paulinesmithson - Have you even read the article OP kindly linked for us? If you had, you wouldn't have written 'you are all just annoyed to see a young trans woman gain popularity for sharing her experiences that you say spiteful things about her.'

I'd suggest reading it first and then coming back with your thoughts.

Really great article, OP, and thanks for sharing it. As with almost everything, the fight isn't where we are encouraged to think it is. This is not about Dylan Mulvaney, this is about corporate America, consumerism and capitalism in its most stringent form.

You’re ignoring the point that Nike, by using Mulvaney in womanface, is deriding women and belittling female athletes.

Oh, FFS, @landOFconfusion, this is nothing like the advent of The Beatles, Elvis, jazz music. The Beatles and Elvis had talent, proved by their longevity, the number of other artists who still cover their music and the respect other musicians have for them. Jazz music grew up from the ground, incorporating many different influences from all over the place. Organic, in other words. Many of those performers had significant trouble getting their music heard and in the format they wanted it to be heard. They fought for what they had.

Dylan Mulvaney and this entire trans movement are the opposite to organic. They have been imposed on us from outside, from above even. People such as Dylan are agreeing to have their strings pulled for financial gain and, as the article, clearly articulates - Dylan has no talent. He is manufactured.

You could argue that about The Monkees in a sense, as they were 'manufactured' too, in that they were put together by record company execs, or whoever it was. They broke the mould of a group of lads who'd known each other from school and practised in their front rooms. But even The Monkees had some talent. And it was quite acceptable, expected even if you were my parents' generation, to mock and deride this music for the young. Anyone publicly mocking or deriding Mulvaney risks friendships, reputation and livelihoods

This is very depressing indeed.
A man who in my opinion has cognitive decline , wanting to meet a creep who dresses as a schoolgirl and mocks females by his actions- I find it extremely distasteful.

As to the term ''Woke''..It was indeed initially to describe Black people's Struggles {Was only made aware by the posters on Mumsnet about that last year}, so another word might be best used to people who are using this man {Mulvaney} to push their own agendas.

Leftists?

Trump was vile, Burt he wouldn't be entertaining this kind of shit, courting a man who dresses as a prepubescent girl.

Completely agree..The Beatles were very talented, their songs stand the test of time, Jazz has been around for decades, and Ione cannot compare a male who dons girl's clothes and prances about {a one trick pony..Letterbox creepy grin, arse sticking out in that bizarre crouching scuttle he does, , arms flapping like a demented windmill..Mulvaney is devoid of wit and talent , unlike The Beatles and Jazz Greats.

It’s a perfectly relevant observation that TikTok is a new media format with new styles, and that anybody critiquing Mulvaney as a caricature simply doesn’t get it. It reveals the same lack of understanding that saw the Beatles being hated and Elvis being hated and Jazz music being hated before the war.

Many people have heavily criticised Elvis (and to a lesser extend even The Beatles) for taking the music of uncelebrated black musicians and repackaging it for a white audience with a white performer but that wasn’t the older generation it’s generations hence and they’ve basically got a point.

It’s funny how there’s so much criticism of toxic positivity until it’s Dylan and suddenly it’s she’s so positive and cute! Feminists have been critiquing forever the culture that makes women perform happiness at the expense of our own feelings and humanity. Being “positive” all the time isn’t good - it teaches women we don’t deserve feelings, we should just smile through life instead of fighting for change, we should please and appease people we shouldn’t express anger, and it provides a false image that harms other women (who then are made to feel crazy and wrong when they have negative feelings.)

Dylan’s “tee hee” personality isn’t just marketing for products, it’s marketing empty and oppressive emotions to young girls that actively harm them while promoting ED and bad eating habits, consumerism, inauthenticity (sold ironically as authenticity but Dylan is never honest) and promises to young women to be vapid, soulless, and shallow and transactional with relationships.

notice how dylan has gone to ground with the Bud Light thing - when women were outraged about Ulta it was all passive aggressive threats to ruin lives and fake tears. Now it’s white conservative men Dylan has nothing to say - the rage and seething is just for women.

https://whatwouldjesssay.substack.com/p/toxic-positivity-and-woman-blaming

Promotes not promises

And why must we be always accepting of others experience?

This person has an imagined experience of what it's like to be a woman. I've lived it.

When TW become respectful of my actual biological reality and the real difficulties and oppression that brings I'll consider the experience of someone like this,

Because right now these accommodations seem one sided therefore at present this person can pop on their Nike clobber and jog on

comparing DM to the Beatles is the funniest thing I have ever seen on MN 😂

Imagine being the brand managers who passed over Dylan Mulvaney..somehow I don't think they're kicking themselves like the record label guy who turned his nose up at the Fab Four, lol.

comparing DM to the Beatles is the funniest thing I have ever seen on MN

You're right actually I was irritated by that post at first, but on reflection it is a hilariously ridiculous thing to say!

Norwegian Wouldn't.