Dylan Mulvaney -created in a boardroom

[TheSandgroper]

And he is cheap.

https://savageminds.substack.com/p/rainbow-washing-women-out-of-existence

No, they really didn't have this attitude to gay people. And gay people were not prancing around shouting 'look at me being straight!' all over the media.

Homophobia was actually horrendous, and still is to a large extent and it is only recently that people accept it more, which will eventually start to happen with trans. Dylan is raising awareness about being trans and she is not trying to force anyone to be transgender.

Oh please, DM is no more a trans woman or even a trans identifying man than I am a real rabbit.

Yes, he's had facial feminisation surgery but to no real degree as it's not really made him look any more feminine. More tellingly, he's not taking cross sex hormones.

He's a grifter and a hustler, and seen an opportunity to make money.

Mulvaney seems to despise both women and trans women, while pretending to be both.

I look forward to Dylan having surgery to remove his primary sexual characteristics. I think I will be waiting a long time.

@paulinesmithson have you heard of a transwoman called Blaire White?

Blaire has been taking female hormones for seven years and is convinced that Dylan Mulvaney is lying about being on oestrogen. Blaire also makes the very good point that Mulvaney has spent tens of thousands on facial surgery but wont spend $300 on facial laser hair removal.

This idea that Mulvaney is faking is widespread is LGBT circles too.

I was homosexual at the time of section 28, I have personal experience of homophobia thanks. Do you?

This is not the same, gay people were never mocking and impersonating straight people and stepping on their toes, they just wanted to not be arrested or beaten up for having a same sex lover.

The biggest homophobia I have ever encountered has come directly from the trans lobby including posters here, who have told me I must learn to provide straight sex to men and not look to enjoy it because of a social duty never to say no to men. Recently I saw a 72 year old lesbian woman, also with direct experience of actual homophobia at the time of the height of the gay rights movement, being protected by Christian Fundamentalist men ffs, from a raving, screaming lynch mob who identified as being 'pro' LGBT+ and were a direct danger to her.

There really is no hope of selling these lies any more.

Btw if you're waiting for me to 'accept' providing straight sex to men who identify as lesbians?

You are in for a very, very, very long wait.

OP thank you for this article

It's the sort of thing - along with all the other stuff that's true - that gets you labelled a conspiracy theorist, but these are indeed media plans. It's interesting to hear about Drew Barrymore because I wondered about that.

These days I get why Hollywood is regarded with suspicion. I think they have a long history of just doing crazy stuff and many companies just find it hilarious to see the effect on society.

@nilsmousehammer
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am also homosexual and while I have experienced homophobia, not to that extent. But it stems from something similar to transphobia: a fear of being different. Aggressive trans people do not represent the millions who are afraid to come out because the name trans is made bad because of the select few who abuse it

I have absolutely no problem with Mulvaney being trans, or 'different'.

I have a whole lot of problem with highly misogynist, sexist, mocking behaviours, regardless of the sex or gender choices of the person making them. It's the behaviour that is the problem, not the identity.

I have no problem tolerating the identity at all. I have every problem tolerating the behaviour.

Would you say to a disabled person offended by someone putting up videos to thousands of users taking the mickey out of their mobility and movement, and by a blog of 'day xxx of being disabled!' when they are trans abled and actually not in reality disabled at all that they just 'need to get used to it' and it's fear of difference that is the root of why they mind rather than go awww bless? Or is it normal boundaries against the assault of that person's behaviour?

With respect, you're mistaken. I have absolutely no problem with Mulvaney being trans, or 'different'.

I have a whole lot of problem with highly misogynist, sexist, mocking behaviours, regardless of the sex or gender choices of the person making them. It's the behaviour that is the problem, not the identity.

I have no problem tolerating the identity at all. I have every problem tolerating the behaviour. I'll add this isn't a 'young' person, Mulvaney is nearly 30.

Would you say to a disabled person offended by someone putting up videos to thousands of users taking the mickey out of their mobility and movement, and by a blog of 'day xxx of being disabled!' when they are trans abled and actually not in reality disabled at all that they just 'need to get used to it' and it's fear of difference that is the root of why they mind rather than go awww bless? Or is it normal boundaries against the assault of that person's behaviour?

You can have a problem with Dylan without misgendering. Just because I dislike Donald Trump doesn't mean I would start to call him a girl

I would bet my life savings that Dylan doesn't take oestrogen.
The same if Dylan had any sort of bottom surgery.

Meaning this nicely, you're mistaken. I have absolutely no problem with Mulvaney being trans, or 'different'.

I have a whole lot of problem with highly misogynist, sexist, mocking behaviours, regardless of the sex or gender choices of the person making them. It's the behaviour that is the problem, not the identity.

I have no problem tolerating the identity at all. I have every problem tolerating the behaviour. I'll add this isn't a 'young' person, Mulvaney is nearly 30. And this behaviour isn't Mulvaney being Mulvaney quietly in a garden, this is being rammed in the faces of the general public with a demand to 'look at me!'.

Would you say to a disabled person offended by someone putting up videos to thousands of users taking the mickey out of their mobility and movement, and by a blog of 'day xxx of being disabled!' when they are trans abled and actually not in reality disabled at all that they just 'need to get used to it' and it's fear of difference that is the root of why they mind rather than go awww bless? Or is it normal boundaries against the assault of that person's behaviour? Would you support national firms using that person's caricature of someone with a disability as the front of a campaign aimed at disabled people and expect disabled people to celebrate it?

Oh ffs. Sorry, I kept getting server error. Will report the multiple posts.

So this is all about misgendering?'

I am not talking to Mulvaney's face, and when Mulvaney is intentionally pushing in my face on international media a caricature of being a woman, I have been pushed to the discourtesy of stating fact and reality. Mulvaney is a male. When Mulvaney has some respect for women, I might be more enthused about respecting Mulvaney's chosen pronouns.

Let's get this straight.

Whether they are real trans or not, isn't necessarily the problem here either.

The thread is about how Mulvaney was dreamt up in a boardroom.

That also applies to the marketing campaigns they are involved with.

Trans is being cynically used not to market to other trans people. The market share is tiny so it's not worth while doing that.

A lot of the point here is about how yet another male is being used to flog to women who make up 50% of the population and how women aren't represented well.

It's the sexist tropes that continue. The Bud Light campaign seems to have been run by a woman which makes it even worse. We have to be sold to by male standards and values rather than having female role models and we have to put up with these dreadful gendered stereophonics themes.

Mulvaney is just another example of that.

Nike don't support women's sport to anywhere near the same level as men's. It's an after thought.

We've not moved on from the awful women's magazines of yesteryear. We've just got a reinvention of it, which reinforces unrealistic representations of femininity which aren't achievable.

If Mulvaney is indeed faking it, it does make it even worse.

The whole point is about how women can't have anything for themselves. Even marketing directed at them.

Red "The thread is about how Mulvaney was dreamt up in a boardroom."

Indeed and it's good to have this explained. I think we've hit a point where adults don't know when they're being trolled. I mean, there's entire workplaces going bonkers over this and I'm not sure they know why, beyond "everyone is doing it".

if we are all going to end up in a mad game of "follow the leader" we need to scrutinise the leader and their motives.

Maybe they went the same way as reality.