Triggernometry sunday 16th april

[WarriorN]

Apparently a big interview set to be aired relating to "any country in which trans clinics exist."

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The thing is Lammy who called women a dinosaur is I believe in his 70s.

There are always quotes about older people saying how dreadful that the young are throughout history.

I think the young have been corrupted and social media requires some hemlock anti virus treatment.

The US have always reified the young, well at least since the early days of Hollywood. No one should age, music is all about hook ups, etc. Sad to see elderly men chasing after the admiration of the under 25s 🙄

Chasing youth with fillers has ruined many a beautiful face like Priscilla Presley.

Chasing youth - no puberty is another step I guess.

I've just finished listening.

I had a momentary feeling of complete shock when she mentioned Chloe Cole and I realised I've been reading, and sometimes contributing on threads here since before Chloe had her mastectomy. How many other children have been harmed in that time?

Sometimes I think we have to be patient in our persistence in fighting back against this toxic cult but the realisation about the number of children who may have been harmed whilst I've been writing letters, signing petitions etc brings home just how urgent this is.

I think that's a really excellent interview. Key questions were asked and answered, with an articulate interviewee from the inside of this highly dysfunctional 'conveyor belt' world being allowed to speak, and it was well structured with a good flow of inter-linking points.

When she admits she was programmed into the ideology at the start, and is now 'deprogramming', at one point there's a brief flicker of shame and sadness on her face. Therefore I think she's particularly brave to speak out given her internal struggle and, I presume, battles with residual cognitive dissonance.

And she says so many sensible, insightful things about child development. That was refreshing to hear.

I'm glad Francis brought up child safeguarding, using his own professional knowledge as a teacher, and how this dangerous ideology breaches it; and I'm also pleased that they discuss the madness of 'child-driven policy'.

(The 'child centred' / 'whole child' malarkey crept into education and Ofted policies in the UK in the final years of Labour c. 2006-2010, and was ripe for financial exploitation via the new academies and free schools gravy train. We live now with the legacy of that.)

The death of Mark Duggan in 2011 brought us BLM type events we saw during the pandemic and teens in America are quite wild.

I don't know if we are just more aware of there events or if SM/cultural change is making things worse.

The ticks, multiple personality disordered behaviour, the various identities/online communities and porn seems to be an issue.

I know teen girls in the USA aren't happy or feeling mentally well in stats.

I also saw this, I don't think porn is doing boys and men's brains any good.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FightHaven/status/1647961137592565760?cxt=HHwWgIDUnYz73d4tAAAA

This account has lots of public violence.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1647457314494971910?cxt=HHwWjIC80d3s-NwtAAAA

There is footage on Twitter of about a dozen male teens punching a lone teen female in those Chicago riots.

America is lost, intersectionality is toxic.

I think that's a really excellent interview. Key questions were asked and answered, with an articulate interviewee from the inside of this highly dysfunctional 'conveyor belt' world being allowed to speak, and it was well structured with a good flow of inter-linking points.

100%

I'd also like to add another voice endorsing her point about homophobia at the very end.

I am in the U.S., close to her age, and although I am straight (so not affected directly) share her sense of astonishment at how badly our society seems to have regressed very, very recently in terms of acceptance for lesbians, gay men, and bisexual people.

On that note, I found it interesting that she did not use the word "lesbian" to describe herself or her partner at all...

@Roadtrips - I am no defender of David Lammy (see my user name) but he's 50 and not in his 70s.

It’s because anorexia was a way for girls to reject puberty. Gender dysphoria is the new way for girls to reject puberty. One is being replaced for the other. The terrifying thing is that whilst anorexia was treated, gender dysphoria is being positively encouraged. It is a meme. An idea that catches on and gains momentum and spreads. Social media is making the spread of gender dysphoria much quicker than anorexia back in the 1980s and 1990s which relied more on real life word of mouth. How professionals are not seeing this is beyond me.

If being in the mainstream means that people cannot sue for harms done in the US then it may take a good deal longer for the huge medical scandal, that this is going to create, to break.

That is potentially tragic as more young people will continue to be harmed. It will also mean that many of those harmed will never obtain justice.

I hope they’re wrong. Just because medics jumped on a profitable bandwagon shouldn’t excuse them from not scrutinizing the evidence base. The power of lobby group WPATH, who falsely claim to be medical experts while instead pushing a radicalised affirmation agenda (when the established, better evidenced treatment was watchful waiting) is key and the problems they have created need to be closely scrutinized to prevent recurrence.

It’s because anorexia was a way for girls to reject puberty. Gender dysphoria is the new way for girls to reject puberty. One is being replaced for the other. The terrifying thing is that whilst anorexia was treated, gender dysphoria is being positively encouraged. It is a meme. An idea that catches on and gains momentum and spreads. Social media is making the spread of gender dysphoria much quicker than anorexia back in the 1980s and 1990s which relied more on real life word of mouth. How professionals are not seeing this is beyond me.

I hadn't quite seen it that way - horrifying

Just finished the video and she makes a strong case for the developmental normalness of teenagers searching and grappling with questions of gender. It makes me think, where are all the pediatricians and childhood development experts? I am also left a little baffled as she seems herself so set against medical intervention (as a gay person with a personal political tilt towards anarchy) yet worked in that terrible clinic. How did that come about? It doesn't cohere to me

Write a huge post yesterday that got lost 😞

She does give clues to why she fell for it - consider the numbers initially and by the end, the complete cult like language etc. also how WPATH developed to be more batshit over time (eyes two women in the uk).

I've also experienced the realisation that those you think are highly qualified can come up with stupid ideas that they wont accept criticism of within education (SEND, certain pedagogical approaches, Luckily enough of us challenged it.) so when this happens in medicine it must be MUCH harder to change. Because they're all trusting the system. And the system was captured here.

Re the developmental experts I've seen a gradual abandonment of this in nursery nurse training. The old style training even taught observation skills etc. good grounding in Piaget etc. TAs doubt get this. I also feel teacher training doesn't cover it much anymore; there are many routes (I believe the new 2 year nqt thing, now called an early career teacher is to mop up some of this but I'm not aware of these basic concepts being covered.)

I can only imagine that it's similarly happening in medicine. But also the paediatricians are all captured too. Educational psychology. The universities are captured.

There was another really key point she noted that I've just forgotten again grr.

Many moons ago I wrote here (under a different name) wondering how much of transitioning for young girls was a social influence. I remember getting shut down about it. I'm glad it's being talked about.

Gosh really? I think I've been joining in comments about that from around 2017 without being shut down.

WHEN WILL THEY WAKE UP!

The fightback on MN started in earnest in about 2016:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/2716595-TransAgenda-BullShit-The-I-am-Spartacus-Thread

I remember reading it. Didn't fully understand it till a little while later

I've been back to check I was on that thread. And I was, under a different name though.

Summer 2016, bloody hell. Nearly 7 years.

The row on MN around that time pulled me in, with me moving from "there's some odd stuff here" to "oh, no, no, that's not right at all".

7 years indeed. But some people were awake to it a decade or more before that.

@AutumnCrow I can't see it - it's been deleted

Yes. I was there, too. Can't believe how long ago.

Just listening and even though I've read loads about the Tavistock, read Hannah Barnes' book, seen loads on Twitter/social media from people who deal with gender-confused kids in the western world every day, it's still quite shocking to hear this interview from someone who was steeped in it for a long time.

Her clinic banned people from using the phrase "I have concerns about a patient" 😳- totally antithetical to good practice in medical ethics.

This thread? the OP has been deleted but not the thread - 1,000 posts:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/2716595-TransAgenda-BullShit-The-I-am-Spartacus-Thread

I wonder if it's the app?