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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Triggernometry sunday 16th april

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WarriorN · 14/04/2023 14:05

Apparently a big interview set to be aired relating to "any country in which trans clinics exist."

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Triggernometry sunday 16th april
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NutellaEllaElla · 16/04/2023 15:15

"I thought I was saving Trans kids"

rabbitwoman · 16/04/2023 15:19

nauticant · 14/04/2023 14:33

There is a tendency for lates-to-the-party to breathlessly announce something we've known about for years and then be disappointed when the world doesn't turn upside down.

I will have a look on Sunday though in case there really is something new and surprising on the show.

Haaaa, that happens to me all the time!!!

Now I have been trying to speak to many of my pals about this for years. Mostly they just laugh me off, or tell me they don't care...... But slowly, as it is becoming more apparent how this is impacting on everyone's lives, they are starting to bring it up with me themselves.

'have you seen about men in women's jails!!??' yes, I tried to tell you about Karen white years ago.

'why are there no ladies' loos in this pub? There's men's loos, and then just unisex, where are the ladies? ' yes, I tried to explain, years ago.

And then I get' but they're all just right wing Christian bigots, aren't they..... ' and I sigh and try again......

But triggernometry are really good on this. I shall be watching with my TV dinner.

WarriorN · 16/04/2023 15:20

Awesome, thanks!

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nauticant · 16/04/2023 19:00

Right then. It's about to start. Let's see what's discussed in the show.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2023 19:09

Interesting that Jamie is married to a transman. Good to hear her unequivocally talking about social contagion.

nauticant · 16/04/2023 19:35

Jamie Reed is onto one of the key points now. Because all of the US medical establishment is captured, it will be very difficult for detransitioners with harmed bodies/health to sue for medical malpractice. Judges will tend to see the practice as having been in the mainstream.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2023 19:37

nauticant · 16/04/2023 19:35

Jamie Reed is onto one of the key points now. Because all of the US medical establishment is captured, it will be very difficult for detransitioners with harmed bodies/health to sue for medical malpractice. Judges will tend to see the practice as having been in the mainstream.

It's horrifying isn't it? Which of course is why our own trans activist groups worked so hard to gaslight the judiciary, civil service & media to ensure they got their way.

nauticant · 16/04/2023 19:38

I've just had a horrible thought. If medical practitioners are sued, the brainwashed ones will be able to hide behind their brainwashing. The whistleblowers, who saw they were participating in bad practice and so after a period of time blew the whistle, will be more exposed and at risk of being sued successfully.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2023 20:15

That was a really interesting listen - chilling as all these revelations are. I liked that her answer to their "what aren't we talking about?" question was homophobia - so many children preferring to be trans with a subsequent lifetime of ill health and physical / mental problems rather than being gay.

Roadtrips · 16/04/2023 20:16

nauticant · 16/04/2023 19:38

I've just had a horrible thought. If medical practitioners are sued, the brainwashed ones will be able to hide behind their brainwashing. The whistleblowers, who saw they were participating in bad practice and so after a period of time blew the whistle, will be more exposed and at risk of being sued successfully.

Shania Applebury from the Tavistock went to court, that option was open to others too.

It wasn't anything we didn't already know.

Good work nonetheless lads!

WarriorN · 16/04/2023 21:48

3/4 of the way through and my gosh she's covered so many key points.

Suicides, the sexist binary bubble GIDs work in, cult like language, she's deprogram ing, children learning what to say to get what they want, parents doing the same. Sprinkling trans books across the house and sitting in a seance circle! Jfc.

It's so similar, or worse, almost, to Hannah Barnes' records.

And the fact that it's all tied up and possibly immune to litigation due to all the guidance saying 'this is what you do' is ultra scary.

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EdgeOfACoin · 16/04/2023 21:54

Well worth watching.

I thought I'd heard it all, but her comments on some of the parents she encountered were shocking.

Interesting how she describes herself as going through a deprogramming process regarding this ideology.

FrancescaContini · 16/04/2023 22:06

Thank you for this.

WarriorN · 16/04/2023 22:14

The last quarter packed it all in; she's bang on about the one thing no one is talking about is homophobia.

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WarriorN · 16/04/2023 22:15

I don't know if I'm surprised or not (probably not!) that get experiences match so closely to what Barnes wrote about at the Tavistock. Even similar phrases to dismiss her concerns.

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Childrenofthestones · 16/04/2023 22:16

Perhaps it's no coincidence that the same demographic that cut themselves or suffer mass fainting or anorexia, all mostly by social contagion, are the demographic that are mostly claiming rapid onset gender disphoria. Is it a coincidence that the same people that do this are politically active on the left?
The point this guest made was made 6 months ago by Janice Fiamengo on what is driving rapid onset gender disphoria in so many predominantly young women and girls who are leftwing white middleclass females. In the progressive uber left community where their value comes from a persons position in the victim Olympics, they have no value whatsoever as they are crippled by their guilty, white middleclass privilege. In their world they are only onestep above white middle class men. By jumping on the trans train they go from zero to hero in their eyes and the eyes of everybody on the left

BonfireLady · 16/04/2023 23:16

A great interview.

Sadly, I can't see it blowing the roof off the internet as it's very much what David Bell, Sue Evans, Marcus Evans and others from gender clinics who have raised concerns are saying.
However, having another voice in the mix is definitely a help.

It's particularly helpful that she comes with an extra "credibility". How on earth people can tell her she is transphobic, when she's married to a trans man, beggars belief. Also it's great to hear her call herself gay. My assumption from that is that she and her spouse are comfortable that they are both biological women who are in a same-sex relationship.

BlooDeBloop · 17/04/2023 07:07

I haven't watched the whole thing yet but so far I am also struck with similarities with the Tavi. The policed language, the shift towards more extreme positions over time, the massive increase in case loads among many other points. Considering the clinic is in the States I think this is significant.

What is new for me is the earlier age and readiness of clinicians to prescribe cross sex hormones. Which she clearly describes as sterilising and impeding sexism function in males in particular. Shocking. And that the clinic was/is activity recruiting from an activist community with cis people viewed increasingly with suspicion. It's spiraling further into its own extremism. It reminds me the US has a history of mad cults

I like that they addressed the litigation side. I would have liked to have heard more about why it would be impossible to bring a case against the clinics enabling this awful trend.

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 08:49

I was thinking about the ticks and multi personality disordered contagion along with trans when I read this article, it also reminded me of online Incels and boys abusing girls in school.

Internet content is ruining people's brains.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/4/9/under-netanyahu-violence-against-christians-is-being-normalised

Most attacks come from a small minority of teenage yeshiva students, they say.

“Their mind is obsessed with the ‘Messianic syndrome’. They want to take over the whole land,” said Greek Orthodox Patriarch Theophilos III of Jerusalem. “When you see young people, 15 or 16 years old, and they do all sorts of things and they’re not afraid, someone is behind it.”

‘Death to Christians’: Violence steps up under new Israeli gov’t

Christian leaders in Jerusalem say Israeli attackers felt more emboldened under the far-right ruling coalition.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/4/9/under-netanyahu-violence-against-christians-is-being-normalised

WarriorN · 17/04/2023 09:14

What is new for me is the earlier age and readiness of clinicians to prescribe cross sex hormones.

@BlooDeBloop I just started this thread which details some stats and awful ideas around that.

Article on Texas bill to ban GR healthcare http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4786782-article-on-texas-bill-to-ban-gr-healthcare

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BlooDeBloop · 17/04/2023 10:02

Thank you Warrior, I'll read the link later.

Just finished the video and she makes a strong case for the developmental normalness of teenagers searching and grappling with questions of gender. It makes me think, where are all the pediatricians and childhood development experts? I am also left a little baffled as she seems herself so set against medical intervention (as a gay person with a personal political tilt towards anarchy) yet worked in that terrible clinic. How did that come about? It doesn't cohere to me.

BlooDeBloop · 17/04/2023 10:30

Another also 😆...I keep coming back to this idea that the medical establishment, parents and everyone older than 25 is running in fear from 'the kids'. From Daniel Radcliffe's listening to children to tell us what they are to Nike jumping to the tune of ticktockers. It's like all the grown ups are terrified that they don't know what the Zedders think. Is this a general cult of the young? It feels very anti the old, us bunch of boomer karen dinosaurs.

Roadtrips · 17/04/2023 10:33

BlooDeBloop · 17/04/2023 10:02

Thank you Warrior, I'll read the link later.

Just finished the video and she makes a strong case for the developmental normalness of teenagers searching and grappling with questions of gender. It makes me think, where are all the pediatricians and childhood development experts? I am also left a little baffled as she seems herself so set against medical intervention (as a gay person with a personal political tilt towards anarchy) yet worked in that terrible clinic. How did that come about? It doesn't cohere to me.

Yes why do dx like ASD make someone easy to persuade? Is it the constant bullying that knocked their self esteem and feeling alone and that you would take anyone in your life? Constantly being feed that you arr wrong you are not like neurotypicals and they all know better? I know that affected me in life, now I know most neurotypicals are nudged fashion victims basically who are really good at memory recall and picking up duplicating skills.

So you have really bad masking and faximiles by some, taken to extremes that aren't socially acceptable, whilst the water is muddied by narcissistic types exploiting them. I wonder how many resources people with ASD have had stolen by progressives. I am sure it was a large portion of those with neurodivergent brains targeted by the Asian grooming gangs also, and they are the ones people bully at work, school and in social groups for being vulnerable, whilst others stand aside not wanting to be the target, the same peow the same behaviour from childhood in school, work to hospital ward and nursing homes.

I don't understand her at all. She knows that she is same sex attracted yet lives with someone who is telling her every day that they are a man and works with the people she does.

I actually feel really bad for her.

I feel bad for most people, those groomed and those who stand by watching the carnage and do nothing, they end up with I believe, compassion fatigue.

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