Young women are losing patience too

[FeodoraVictoria]

I am seeing more and more young women not afraid to say what they think about men claiming to be women.
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This - 100%. I'm not even out at work because I don't want to be associated with the alphabet people.

This, absolutely.

My teens (18 and 16) also seem to be very over it.

My son (16) has been GC for a while and has read and devoured all the documentaries and articles he can. He politely pushes back in PHRE when he needs to and has had no issues because he likes his facts. He corrected a supply teacher about the EQ210 wording once . But he's lucky, nearly all the boys he knows are so uninterested in the gender crap. The girls in his year however are fully steeped in it - he says nearly every week a huge group of them change their pronouns or say they're now a different name like Neo, Phoenix or Ray (not officially on the register of course). The boys just roll their eyes. Yet my son says they always get the names and pronouns wrong as they can't keep up and the girls say "oh don't worry too much". He says the whole thing is utterly stupid.
It's obviously a social contagion.

My daughter (18) has been slower to get to thinking critically about it all. She has a trans friend FtM and never properly questioned it. However recently she's been quietly looking into the harmful effects of puberty blockers and has instigated discussions with me about how the concept of trans seems quite sexist and relies on stereotypes (me quietly punching the air!).

Like others in this thread. I really think the younger teens are soooooo over it. Surely it will soon become very cringe.

I think the worst group will be the people currently in their mid 20's - 30. They'll be a while waking up.

I am hopeful that an increased awareness of menopause generally will help to dispel the idiocy among girls. Ive been heartened to hear younger staff at work talk about it (20's 30's)

Whilst some of it is being used as consumerist bandwagoning the basic message that your own hormones are important will hopefully get through.

I think in part we have Sam Smith to thank. That video was (Liam Gallagher's word) 'uncool'. The week it was released it was all amazing, flamboyant, brave etc, the week after it had been quietly dropped from radio 1, at least I didn't hear it once after Liam's remark.

The movement has become cringe

Absolutely 1000 times this.

That is what the TRAs and gender ideologists have truly shine light on. That progress we thought we had made was just a thin veil over the deep rooted misogyny that still lay unchanged. And just look how little it took for that misogyny to rise up again. All it took was an incoherent, unevidenced, pseudo-science movement that was unashamed of its forefront prioritization of males wishes over female’s basic human rights, and unashamed of its violent and aggressive reactions to women who wouldn’t comply.

When the head of Stonewall openly whinges that the EHRC's proposed clarification about biological sex in the Equality Act will stop men accessing lesbian groups and women's sport you know the game is up.
The general public won't accept the lies and now children feel empowered to speak out as well.

I honestly hadn’t considered this before, because to me they are so clearly different, and there has been such a clear colonization of LGB.

I really hope this is not an outcome.

I always laugh when posters come and tell us all how we are dinosaurs and are going to ‘die out’ based on how wonderfully tolerant the next generation of adults are.

Well, once all of those tolerant, inclusive young people are on puberty blockers and have had body 'transforming' surgery that renders them infertile, it looks like it'll be the whole of humanity dying out before too long.

Too true...

Now please let me request that we stop with the forced teaming of LGBTQ Alphabet soup. Many Ls, Gs and Bs have been pushing back for years against the TRAs. Ls, especially, have paid a heavy price with the relentless, coercive push to include bio (fully intact and functioning) males in their dating pools.

Ls, especially, have paid a heavy price with the relentless, coercive push to include bio (fully intact and functioning) males in their dating pools
It's actually beyond belief that this ever got traction, isn't it?

@FrictionDiction Small comfort, I know, but I suspect I'm not the only straight woman who has developed a new level of respect for my lesbian sisters and awareness of the debt the rest of us owe you, currently and historically, as a result of having to step up and push back against gender ideology.

I hope the backlash can be managed in a way that spares the innocent people who have conscripted against their will and despite their resistance.

It really, really is.

Even my POMO addled, ‘it’s social identity that matters not biological essentialism’ boss didn’t believe me on this. When I told him that lesbians can no longer March at Pride as same sex attracted he looked at me with deep skepticism and said. ‘ well that’s what you say’.

He, like many others I suspect, still doesn’t understand what TWAW means. He thinks it is just a harmless social identity we should accept to be nice. He doesn’t realise that they really, literally mean it in all and every circumstance. He also, like many others I suspect, has never really stopped to think how women experience the world differently due to living in a female body. I think I find that even less forgivable. If you can’t be arsed to think about that, I don’t think you are really entitled to have an opinion on this whole subject.

Does anybody remember the 'super straight' thing that was around a few years ago? It was meant to distinguish straight men who would exclusively consider biological women as potential partners and straight women who would only consider biological men.

I gather it was done deliberately, and not wholly seriously, to make a point and shine some sunlight on the 'enforced' attraction to somebody based on their 'gender' and not their sex i.e. a lesbian who doesn't fancy a transwoman is being phobic, hateful and horribly prejudiced.

The argument was that, if we're now only allowed to choose partners based on 'gender' and not sex as 'standard', then this makes 'super straight' people and their proclivities 'different' from the imposed 'norm' - hence the inclusion in the alphabet soup, albeit slotted in at the beginning, in recognition of the sheer numbers of 'SS' people when compared to L, G, B and T people.

Absurd as it is, I think it would actually make more sense to include 'SS' people in the group of sexual orientations than it does to include T people. Not saying that T people deserve any fewer rights that anybody else, of course, but why not have a separate group for T and NB people and their different considerations, rather than arbitrarily lumping them in with LGB people? If it's being repurposed just to group together all minorities and/or oppressed people, why don't we add anybody who isn't white to it as well, and disabled people? And why not women?

By way of analogy, there was a croquet club that was established in Wimbledon in 1868 - which later expanded to include a different sport as well. It's still an extremely famous and popular club, and annual tournament; but the original croquet element has rather been forced into the background and public obscurity.

Think you’re on the wrong thread. This thread isn’t about toilets it’s about young women growing tired of being told what to think by gender ideologues.

Sadly the levels if domestic violence and domestic killings are sky high on my nordic country.

We have many brilliant rights (childcare, equal salaries etc) and many bonkers guys out in the sticks 😬

He, like many others I suspect, still doesn’t understand what TWAW means. He thinks it is just a harmless social identity we should accept to be nice. He doesn’t realise that they really, literally mean it in all and every circumstance.

It makes me think of when young children dress up and insist that they ARE a doctor, fireman, police officer, lumberjack.... - and the parents go along with it to humour them in their imaginations, calling them Dr Olivia, Inspector Jack etc.

But if they then started demanding (with aggression and threats of violence) that they MUST now be allowed to prescribe medicines, go into burning buildings, arrest and punish people they believe to have done wrong, use a chainsaw to cut down trees and such - and that everybody who tries to stop them is the baddie, the bigot, the one who needs to be restrained, shamed, punished and cancelled.... that's effectively what we're often dealing with now.

I think it’s really sad that for many youth the only exposure they will have had to gay and lesbian people will be through lgbtqia+++ indoctrination at school and drag. It makes you realise how important it is that groups such as LGBA and the Lesbian Project exist.

but on topic; many teens are fed up with the whole charade, though sadly some are still suckered in and yell about «right to healthcare».

When comments are Open in the media though most of them are fed up of the T nonsense.

A great shame for both the LGB and the genuine T

Yes, this is my concern.

Will need a lot of work on the young 'uns to help them separate the issues.

Plus there will be plenty of folk who aren't confused at all, just homophobic, and are already rubbing their hands at the thought of a nice big backlash bandwagon to jump on. There will be more forced teaming – to push folk in the opposite direction.

I think youth are naturally going to want to be different from the generation ahead of them and trans is definitely a current fad / fashion (even if it is also a medical diagnosis). I can imagine it could suddenly just die a death almost overnight.🤞

many teens are fed up with the whole charade, though sadly some are still suckered in and yell about «right to healthcare»

I never get the crazy demands for 'right to healthcare' and 'human rights', as if they somehow don't already have the same rights as everybody else. The way those rights are delivered might be different, based on your needs according to your sex, age, race, medical status etc.; but they are the equivalent of what everybody else has.

Any 'rights' in addition to that are not grounded in levelling up; they are seeking to actively take existing rights away from other people, so that they can add them on to the same ones that they already have. It's like children at a party being given a cake each and then one of them screaming 'Unfair!' because they feel they should have had two cakes, and the only way to make it 'fair' is to take another child's cake away so that they can have two.

This has always baffled me. I am a straight woman however cannot understand how someone who wants a same-sex relationship can be lumped in the same category as somebody that wants to change their gender. They are very different things.

Douglas Murray also makes this point in his book the Madness of Crowds.

My teenage sons are clear that you can’t change sex and see the enby ace alphabet soup as attention seeking. It probably helps that they are studying STEM and also sporty so very clear that men and women have biological differences.