Can we talk about how it's only ever biological males spouting off and trying to infringe on the rights of the opposite sex?

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It's never trans men is it? (As in biological females transitioning to present as male)

You don't see them trying to decimate the men's category in sports. You don't see them kicking off to be allowed into men's changing rooms. You don't see them trying to make a mockery of what it means to be a man. You don't see them being chosen to advertise products designed to be used by men, IE viagra (in comparison to Dylan Mulvaney and their tampax)

You don't see them carrying condoms around just incase a man asks them for one in the men's toilets.

It's always the MTF people. Always.

The only time transmen are in the news is when they give birth.

What's that French expression? Everything changes, nothing changes?

Absolutely @HereForTheFreeLunch It’s why it’s so achingly sad & infuriating in equal measures when you read articles about how TM think they’ve identified out of the sexism associated with being a woman

Well no, it’s female (and male) socialisation writ large isn’t it - regardless who’s they identify.

Anecdotally, I've had a trans man complain to me at work that they have been challenged for using the gents loos and that they often hear men muttering. They have continued to use these loos regardless, as they see themselves as male.
In a social group I'm in it was a transman who pushed a redefinition of the women's section to 'gender minorities', including not just trans men and women but also anyone non-binary.
Freddy whatshisface tried to redefine the word father, in law, to include transmen who have given birth.
Transmen are happily invading gay male spaces and abuse gay men online for refusing to sleep with them.

Transmen are much less likely to be able to physically threaten a man, like women are probably much less likely to be imprisoned, and there are very few rape crisis/domestic violence services for men anyway. They are unlikely to beat men in professional sports, even after testosterone. None of this is an ideological choice on their part, it's just the way it is.

Notwithstanding that, IMO if you think TM aren't just as invested in this as TW (in my experience, sometimes more invested) and are just victims then you're deluded.

I'm not suggesting TM's are victims whatsoever. It can't be denied that the vast majority of people taking the spotlight and making all of this noise are trans women.

Not sure the question is framed in a helpful way. From what I can see online, transmen are far from meek little compliant females. It's them after all driving all the "person with uterus" bullshit. I hang out on what used to be the Women with Autism FB group occasionally and the bun fights from this group are something else.

So no, transmen aren't much less aggressive and demanding, but for some reason they dump on women rather than men. Just as MtFs dump on women rather than men. Go figure.

If a jug should fall on a stone then that is hard for the jug. But if a stone should fall on a jug then that is hard for the jug. It is always hard for the jug.

You can substitute woman for jug and man/TW/TM for stone.

In my experience the people driving all the change online appears to be MTF trans people. Yet I think I live in quite a behind the times little area because all I'm seeing in real life is teenage girls with autism identifying as male. I knew one MTF trans person in the 00s and that was it.

Oh I don’t know, there’s been a few instances of transmen complaining about gay men not including them in their dating pool. They say they’re better than biological men because they’ve ‘got more holes to stick it in’. 🤮

There’s been a fair bit of whining by TM about being excluded from gay saunas, the gay club scene etc. But they can’t force their way in because gay men are just not having it. So the TM just whinge on social media about how unfair it is. TM have much less power, because they’re female after all.

Yep no internalised misogyny there…

I have seen it mentioned that transmen try to go to gay saunas and those types of places and don’t like it if there’s not a lot of interest. I don’t know how true that is though.

The most aggressive sex is acting like the most aggressive sex. A dress and lipstick cannot change genetics.

Indeed!

As pp have said there are women trying to get into men's spaces under the banner of transgenderism. The two below come to mind. I also remember a thread about a woman trying to access one of the Men's Sheds groups, but can't find it now.

I think men are in a better position than us to push back against opposite sex people invading their spaces and I wish them luck.

I'm less worried about those women than I am about the ones like Stephen Whittle and James Morton doing all their secret backroom lobbying. The women like Susie Green and Jeanette Jennings who trans their kids and make a life for themselves out of if, pushing it into the mainstream and onto other families.

The young women who have swallowed the mantras and take on the role of enforcers like the ones involved in attacking Riley Gaines and shouting in babies' faces that they will grow up fascist.

Not to mention all the moronic politicians spouting objective bollocks.

And I'm sorry to say, so many HR leaders and DEI grifters, many of whom ime are women.

Gay sauna
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3410716-Transman-kicked-out-of-gay-sauna

Mr Gay UK contest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53936529

Exactly. I sympathise with decent men who would never enter women’s toilets and are embarrassed when women enter theirs. But that’s the limit of their problems with trans-identifiers. They’re not in physical danger, being cheated out of sports medals etc as OP points out.

A few influential transmen are very active in dismantling women’s rights. And of course they’re the willing ‘harmless face’ on the front of the male supremacist trans movement.

This has really surprised me because I thought TM would want a female partner, not a male partner.

Exactly. I sympathise with decent men who would never enter women’s toilets and are embarrassed when women enter theirs. But that’s the limit of their problems with trans-identifiers. They’re not in physical danger, being cheated out of sports medals etc as OP points out.
I think that men are entitled to privacy and dignity too, but I agree that they don't face the same threat and, if they feel uncomfortable, then I think it's their issue to sort out. Women are busy.

Of course it is. It's innate male privilege and male violence which is hilarious as it's shown when they're demanding we call them women.

Determined, there's a whole subculture of teen girls and young women who fell down an Internet rabbit it hole of "shipping" and gay porn, who have somehow come to think that they themselves are gay men (in reality-land, they are opposite sex attracted females aka straight).

This is the story with a variety of detrans women. Look at Benjamin Boyce's interview with Helena.

Exactly.

In the same way that many TW label themselves lesbians, many TM are heterosexual and cosplaying as the opposite sex. It is fucking ludicrous when you think about it.

The “transmen” I have met in public are the ones pushing the ideology into schools and health services, precisely I imagine because they present less threateningly than males.

There are plenty of TM who say they are gay, just as there are plenty of TW who say they are lesbians (and are all over lesbian dating sites).

What many different trans and nonbinary people share is hatred or anger or loathing at the female body. Transmen hate it for having it, transwomen hate it for not having it, female nonbinary people hate it for being called a female body (though they want the reproductive rights female people are fighting for but not called anything to do with the female body).

Not sure about male nonbinary identifiers, but all the other groups really have a thing about the female body.

None seem to have anything similar about the male body.

Transmen don't keep pushing for dehumanising language in male health articles, for instance, no demands that condom ad or shaving ads should not mention 'men' as that would not be inclusive, and transwomen don't keep pushing for prostate cancer articles to include them, given that almost all of them keep their prostates. We never read about 'impregnating parents' or 'ejaculators' etc.

It's all the same misogyny and sexism, only now packed in social justice colours, so that if you fight against it it is you who are the bigot.

Excellent point nepeta.